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I'll say probably yes. Although one could argue that it only work on "weak" minds. Personally I don't buy it, but I don't remember it working on any "stronger" willed people, like Obi Wan didn't use it on Jango for example. Could say PIS, but it'd be hard to argue that it is, and probably impossible if based just on feats.
OK, for the sake of argument, let's say the mind trick can work on the vamps.
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And, yeah, I think the Jedi battle precog would be fast enough to react to the vamp, but the vamps should be able to react fast enough to avoid getting a saber slice.
It's really the diverse powers that the twivamps have that might give them the edge.
Both sides have precog, but Alice's is definitely way more advanced, being able to instantly see how the future changes with each decision. And it's quite vivid.
Jedi routinely react and block blaster bolt fire, which should be moving faster than a twivamp can move...but we do know that James can move faster than a plane because he not only back tracked the false course the Cullens set, but he beat Bella, who was on a plane, back to Phoenix. So a vamp, in a full on sprint, can run faster than a Jet airliner, in flight, which would be around 500 MPH. Edward is faster than James, significantly. (In the book, while he was carrying Bella, he was able to outrun, by a large margin, all other vampires, when James started to hunt down Bella, that portion is not capture very well in the movie as we only see Edward run away with no one seen behind them.
So, we have vampires that run really really damn fast when they are in a straight sprint...but probably much slower than that when fighting.
I'm still on the fence.
I'm going to go with the Jedi winning since their sabers would make very short work of the vamps and the heat from the sabers would ignite the fluids on the inside of the vampire as soon as it sliced into their granite flesh. (Didn't some of the clothes catch on fire when their limbs were chopped off in the star wars films? Like, the bar scene in A New Hope?)
I don't think the jedi/sith are fast enough to keep up with the Vamps, but all it takes is one good swipe with the lightsaber to end a vamp, quickly.
Edit - Well, if the Vamps use the mind powers, it's all over. The mind powers work on any an all vampires and there's no protection from it. Some of these vamps are vastly integllient and superior to humans as they've lived thousands of years (the romanians and Carlisle come to mind. Carlisle is probably the most knowledgable person in the series, having read tens of thousands of books in his lifetime.) The vampires minds are also sharper/more intelligent than a humans, but that is explained in book 4, so it doesn't count yet (unless they cut that portion out.)
The Jedi have not been full on illusion...their minds protect them from force suggestions and the like, but not full on illusions such as Alec's smoke or Jane's daggers of pain.
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Yes, but you forget that both teams have full knowledge of the opposition and have prep time. So everything you've said here, the Vamps already know - so they won't rush in and risk being diced.
They will likely use their special gifts first, and once they gain the upper hand they can go in for the kill.
I don't know why you guys think Alice's precognition is so infallible. She can and has made mistakes, and with all the prep it's not like the Jedi won't know how to render it effectively useless. The Jedi's battle precognition is way more effective here, I think.
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They were not mistakes, at all, just potential futures that changed, and she saw immediately as they changed, based on decisions.
Movie 3 put it to rest, though, as Alice literally could not be touched as she was able to see Jasper moves before he would make them. She has better battle precog than any Jedi.
The only way around her precog is using a La Push werewolf around the person you don't want to be seen. That's it, no exceptions.
So she has precog. She's dead meat if she actually tries to engage a Jedi or Sith.
If the Jedii/Sith precog works the way it is supposed to, none of the Twivamps lay a finger on them. Remember how fast Obi Wan and Anakin were shown fighting? Dooku? Maul? One saber swipe and the Twivamp is decapped. At that point, it's a simple matter of force pushing their body parts into the lava or smelting pit.
Or the Jedi/Sith could just force push them into the lava right away. Dooku, shit, he could grab a Twivamp, levitate them, and throw them into the lava.
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Of course this all depends on IF the Jedi/Sith works as it is supposed to.
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Well, since her precog is infinitely better than a Jedi's or Sith and she is far more physically capable and durable, the force users are dead meat.
Yeah, but remember how fast Felix and Edward were shown fighting? They were fighting as fast as the Flash. They were a blur, even in slow-mo. And that was a greatly weakened Edward that hadn't fed in 2 months.
Seeing the future is one thing, Jedi battle precog is different. I'd say Jedi battle precog is more useful here.
They were shown moving around like that. When it came to actually trading blows, they weren't that fast.
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I got an idea, let's throw Caedus into the fray who can create illusions. Edward and Jacob see Bella getting "killed" and oops, the pathetic Vamps and Shapeshifters are mincemeat. The Jedi and Sith he listed are upper tier characters. Jedi and Sith are strong willed and extremely powerful. What would a Vamp do if suddenly they were picked up with TK and thrown or say Sidious Force chokes or snaps their neck with a thought. The Jedi and Sith almost don't need lightsabers against Vamps. The Shapeshifters are a different story however.
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magical skin? that can't really be proven or disproven, but seeing as it's not mentioned anywhere that TwiVamps have "magically imbued skin", i say, no. Their skin is granite hard, that's about it, a laser can cut through granite with ease.
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