Hey, I agree, but others came to the agreement that since they used it onscreen, it is a high end feat. They pitched a big fit about it in a HP/Jedi thread, I'm just going with it.
Because really, what's to keep a Jedi from doing it whenever they want?
So what if Anakin never used it in battle? Is there some mystic clause that says "Hey, force choke, for some reason, stops working the moment a Jedi starts fighting?"
Wesley and Fox moving how fast? What version of Wanted did you watch?
MAY block it, doubtful though.
Luke, ROTJ, Obi Wan, ROTS.
Clip?
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Shit, just watched a youtube clip from Push, I forgot how powerful they were
If they go toe to toe, the Jedi likely are killed.
Shaddap.
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Actually it could matter. This is because the Jedi will need to be much faster to deflect projectiles coming from different directions (e.g left and right at the same time = good game), rather than from straight on. The blade would need to travel a further distance to deflect each bullet as they come. Now, with the rate of fire and all that other stuff you've pointed out, bullet bending makes it that much harder for them.
As for the fight, I think Wanted/Push take it quite handily. The Jedi simply cannot deal with deflecting gunfire (which they can't do adequately anyway), and with telekinetics (that match or are likely superior to them) at the same time.
Edit: Correction for saying "deflecting". The bullets would just melt, not reflect. This means if the Jedi don't get gunned down, they'll get pinned down.
Also a thought just occurred to me. Push/Wanted would effectively function as a much more effective version of the Star Wars "Destroyers". Destroyers pretty much have two components - energy bolts and shields. We have seen that the movers can setup shields that can stand up to gun fire, and the Wanted duo provides the fire power. And as we know Jedi retreat when confronted with Destroyers =] Just another thing I thought up, don't take it too seriously =p
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In wanted, Wesley had to hit a target by bending around a person.
The target got hit at about the same place as when he was firing straight on.
This is why I say that there will be little difference to the Jedi. At best, it'd be a 2-4 inch difference.
Besides, the Jedi will not move to where the bullet will be, in a linear motion, but where the bullet will be, period, because that's how it works for them.
And, about the shields:
Can they stand up to a saber blow? Wouldn't the swipe of a saber blow have more kinetic energy than a bullet?
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The Mythbusters did a segment about bullets knocking people back in Hollywood. They supsended, very fragily, a pig body. It wouldn't fall, but the slightest touch from a hand knocked it off it's fragile hold.
I don't remember the details but it had something to do with how small the mass of the bullet was and it just didn't have the kinetic energy to knock it off, but a slight push of the hand had more kinetic energy.
I could have it slightly wrong because the bullet passes all the way though? I don't remember what happened in that episode.
Anyway, if I have time, I'll look through this article and see if I can calculate something:
Edit - No need: i watched the second vid and they are punching eachother's shields. No way a saber swing is as strong as a punch. So that closes that book. Also, it looks like their TK is much more powerful than the Jedi's. It's just 'faster' as well.
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not really. There's a reason i said Anakin and not Vader.
I disagree.
If that were the case, i wouldn't have added Fox and Wesley. The reason i did add them is so that they could work in tandem with the Movers from 'Push'. Alone, the Movers would get killed because they would be regulated to either use TK gunfire (which travels in a straight line), and which the Jedi could just block and wait for an opening, or use TK flinging which the Jedi could just counter with Force-TK. In combination though, the Movers can do what they do best... move, and the Shooters can... shoot. Fox and Wesley are integral in getting the victory.
Star Wars stories make it quite clear that a person is 'reborn' as a new person when they fall to the dark side. They even go as far as to take a different name.
Jacen Solo became Darth Cadeus.
Anaking Skywalker because Darth Vader.
Count Dooku became Darth Tyranus.
And so forth.
Because of this, in versus discussion with Star Wars, many people make a disctinction one which version of a character will be used. Many of the powers or "first options" used by the characters will be different, sometimes, significantly.
Why am I telling you all of this? I dunno. You probably know this more than I do.
their the same person, with a different outlook on things. its not as if anakin received some secret training in the middle of RotS that taught him different powers... lol. he could do everything in the end of RotS that he could do in the beginning, if he'd wanted to.
from a philosophical/symbolic point of view yes. but not from a physical perspective. when someone goes to the dark side they dont just automatically know how to use lightning. they have the same force knowledge they had before, they just apply it differently. the only difference between someones light side and dark side is a frame of mind...
edit- i dunno if i know more than you i havent even read lotf or njo
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no, not really .
I'm not claiming they're two separate physical beings, but they are different as fighters. If i had said this is Vader, from "RotS"... the only onscreen feat you'd be able to use is the very last scene in the movie. Anakin hardly ever used force choke/crush (i can't distinctly remember him using it at all)... that's pretty much Vader's go to move and it's the first thing he does when he awakens as that persona.
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i havent even read lotf or njo
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