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KingD19
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I know Omega was the only one with a clear power level(or lack thereof), but the others were defined at least to an extent, that's my point.

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of that list only iceman and grey have been confimred as omegas


my assumption was that the op (with lack of description) meant that the five mutants were all at omega levels in this fight


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I think the starter just assumed them all to be Omegas. And if all of them were....that's just bad for the JLA.

Oh and Vulcan is somewhere between Omega...and beyond Omega after losing the powers of Sway, Darwin, and Petra.

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lol no

SNG is a psionic energy being who is intangible by default and impervious to mundane physical harm. he is a precog, can step out of the timeline and reenter it at will. he can teleport, has TK shields and AoE attacks. he can beat flash

MJJ would simply rape the whole JLA

He isn't intangible by default and no he isn't a being of pure energy yet at least. He may be faster than most but his speed is no where near comparable to Supes or Flash. Let's say Nate can actually think faster than superman or flash - do u really think he can react as fast as them even with precog which cannot help because he has never shown to _react FTL. Plus surfer is not as fast as the superman and flash but he has durability that is far beyond SNG which would not be able to take blows to mount a proper defense with out to shields raised and that was never specified by the originator of this tread. I'm out I'll come back to your response later I expect it to be smug as per usual. _

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He isn't intangible by default and no he isn't a being of pure energy yet at least. He may be faster than most but his speed is no where near comparable to Supes or Flash. Let's say Nate can actually think faster than superman or flash - do u really think he can react as fast as them even with precog which cannot help because he has never shown to _react FTL. Plus surfer is not as fast as the superman and flash but he has durability that is far beyond SNG which would not be able to take blows to mount a proper defense with out to shields raised and that was never specified by the originator of this tread. I'm out I'll come back to your response later I expect it to be smug as per usual. _
yes he is intangible by default and made of energy. even if that fauz matter body he made to interact with the world is desintegrated, he will survive as an incorporeal psionic being, which he has already done: after desintegrating his body, he simply mindraped and possessed norman osbourne. it's all in dark x-men.

furthermore, he doesnt have to think faster than flash or sm, he knows the future in advance and can leave the timeline to come back to a moment and place he desires.

this combiantion of factors are already enough to counter the blitz. it's funny because you are the smug one and ignorant of the character too.

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I'm not ignorant of the character see that's the problem u are ignorant of what biochemistry and physics are at play buddy. The character SNG is an uber mutant with inferior durability and speed but is extremely powerful nonetheless. How could Nate possibly know the future if he is place instantly in neutral zone plus even hypothetically if he attempts to slip out of the time stream somehow since his thoughts are obviously simply so much faster that supes and flash to u... Hey can't flash follow him and vibrate his hand right through him or just hit him with one imp. Last time I checked Nate can also be ko'ed without being killed I mean he is far from infallible & unbeatable. _The speed of thought amongst psychics is just so inconsistent when up against FTL speed. If he is destroyed for some time that will still count as a loss. _Nate and the rest of his team loses- true story dude.

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Re: Omega Mutants vs. JLA

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Originally posted by byrdgang21
Apocalypse
Magneto
Vulcan
Iceman
Nate Grey

Vs.

Superman
WW
MM
Flash
Captain Marvel

Who wins?

apoc and magneto are not omega level mutants. Also I dont believe vulcan is either. He was believed to be on becuase darwin morphed with him. However I dont recall him ever being stated as omega level being after that.

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I'm not ignorant of the character see that's the problem u are ignorant of what biochemistry and physics are at play buddy. The character SNG is an uber mutant with inferior durability and speed but is extremely powerful nonetheless. How could Nate possibly know the future if he is place instantly in neutral zone plus even hypothetically if he attempts to slip out of the time stream somehow since his thoughts are obviously simply so much faster that supes and flash to u... Hey can't flash follow him and vibrate his hand right through him or just hit him with one imp. Last time I checked Nate can also be ko'ed without being killed I mean he is far from infallible & unbeatable. _The speed of thought amongst psychics is just so inconsistent when up against FTL speed. If he is destroyed for some time that will still count as a loss. _Nate and the rest of his team loses- true story dude.
enlighten me on the biochemistry and physics at play here please. SNG didnt even have a body until he amde one.

I never claimed he thinks faster than they do, you made that up, nice strawman. I said he can counter the blitz through a variety of ways and that we cannot truly precise how fast they think in comparison to him.

indeed, he is not infallible. a lot of charatcer can defeat him, the safest aveneus of attack would be magic, high energy manipulation, reality warping (even very low level would do) or an even more powerfull telepath. direct physical attacks are much less effective.

some of their more exotic attacks might secure them the win, but I wouldnt give either of them a majority against him.

flash can run between dimension so he might be able to follow him, although timetravelling is a bit trickier. vibrating might accomplish something, but the IMP is unlikley to yeld results.

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apoc and magneto are not omega level mutants. Also I dont believe vulcan is either. He was believed to be on becuase darwin morphed with him. However I dont recall him ever being stated as omega level being after that.
hes omega. when darwin was merged to him he was stated to be beyond omega

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I'm not ignorant of the character see that's the problem u are ignorant of what biochemistry and physics are at play buddy.
laughing out loud


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The mutants wins and if anyone of the mutants is omega level it should be Magneto based off of talent and power alone.


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hes omega. when darwin was merged to him he was stated to be beyond omega


That the writer admitted he fu@ked up. There is nothing higher than being classified Omega. Not unless the mutants digivolve to the ultimate level.


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hes omega. when darwin was merged to him he was stated to be beyond omega

I dont think so. Only time he was stated as Omega officially was the first issue he was in to my knowledge. They thought it was Proffessor x, but it was a trap set by vulcan. Vulcan said he was beyond omega, but that far from official thats just he bragging.

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The mutants wins and if anyone of the mutants is omega level it should be Magneto based off of talent and power alone.
omega is about potential, not power level. SNG is still stronger than him I'd wager

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The mutants wins and if anyone of the mutants is omega level it should be Magneto based off of talent and power alone.

except he been confirmed as alpha. He is not omega in the least.

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I dont think so. Only time he was stated as Omega officially was the first issue he was in to my knowledge. They thought it was Proffessor x, but it was a trap set by vulcan. Vulcan said he was beyond omega, but that far from official thats just he bragging.
IIRC emma said: omega level at least. still, I dont think his status was lowered after darwin was separated from him. wwhat ifs treat him as omega too, I know theyre noto canon, just giving an indication of writer mentality

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That the writer admitted he fu@ked up. There is nothing higher than being classified Omega. Not unless the mutants digivolve to the ultimate level.
yeah, omega is just limitless potential, but it made sense, considering darwin was in there too.

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IIRC emma said: omega level at least. still, I dont think his status was lowered after darwin was separated from him. wwhat ifs treat him as omega too, I know theyre noto canon, just giving an indication of writer mentality

She may have, I dont remember everything, it been a while since I read the arc.


That is true, I not sure if it was lowered. However dident he drop in power?


What if there both treated as omega? is that what you mean? Thats interesting. Then while they were merged then be beyond simply omega. Though I not sure darwin is omega (he should be, but I remember there was a thread were it was being argued he wasent)

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yeah, omega is just limitless potential, but it made sense, considering darwin was in there too.
Well he is Omega, with out with out Darwin and co. What has me confused is the ending part of Deadly Genesis. Was his power escalating to that of Galactus with Darwin? If so it doesn’t make sense, because they just expelled Darwin from his body.


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She may have, I dont remember everything, it been a while since I read the arc.


That is true, I not sure if it was lowered. However dident he drop in power?


What if there both treated as omega? is that what you mean? Thats interesting. Then while they were merged then be beyond simply omega. Though I not sure darwin is omega (he should be, but I remember there was a thread were it was being argued he wasent)
yeah I think they're both omega, in fact, darwin is for sure, people kept refering to him that way. vulcan did drop down in power after the split, but it think he was omega to begin with.

current darwin just kicked the shit out of hella, the death godess.

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