I disagree, Logan has been around for a long time, and he has fought martial arts when he spent time in japan. He has a lot more skill than most people give him credit for, but he just doesn't seem like it cause he can go so berzerk. I give Logan the edge here cause he has HF, he's stronger(i think), and he has more overall fighting knowledge than batman.
Because as we all know living in Japan makes you a master martial artist. You're right that Logan is much more than a brawler, but your reasoning is silly.
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Batman(presumed to be dead) managed after 8 years of non stop torment, torture, and pain both physical, mental, and emotional to defeat Desaad in his own game and replace him under Darkseid's very nose..... Eight years Desaad and Darkseid had been trying to break him, and not only did he not break, but he owned Desaad just in time to help the time travelling members of the League coming to avert the Apocalypse.We are talking about the Lord of Apocalypse and his sadistic helper who lives for others pain and has devised ways of torture never seen by man. Bruce went through this every day....every moment for 8 whole years with no outside help. That is a feat of will beyond basic pain threshold. A willpower feat as impressive as any Wolverine has ever demonstrated.
Batman's entire life, and existence is a testament to his willpower, going on when there is no reason to push on, no reason to keep living, pushing on through unbearable grief and loss.
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Wolverine is a master tactician in his own right, just because Batmans entire career is BASED on him being a great tactician doesn't mean he's the best. Ares has been the God of war since forever, that doesn't make him the best fighter. Batmans books highlight his tactical prowess, Wolverines books highlight his combat/mutant abilities. But the tactical application gap is not as big as you want it to be.
Couldn't Wolverine just overwhelm Bats with pure will power? I mean, just look at what pheonix said about about his will. Batman's got brilliance but it's not as though Wolverine's a strategic numbskull... plus he has an edge in experience..
In any case, his will is legendary and we've already seen what it's like when a creature filled with Rage gets ahold of a GL ring.
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Overwhelm Batman with Willpower? LOL Did you read my feat above?
No one her has said Wolverine isn't a good tactician, they just say Batman is better, and he is Ras Al Ghul has more experience than Batman too, in fact more than Wolverine as well, doesn't stop batman from beating him. Heck many people Batman beats are more experienced. Vandal Savage, and numerous others. Also Wolverine having more experience matters even less because they both have relatively the same amount of experience with the GL ring which is the main aspect of this battle.
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Last edited by Lunacyde on Oct 21st, 2010 at 06:44 PM
The fact that that future never came to pass because they time travelled and prevented it doesn't discount the feat because he did it, and the story is canon.
what torture or will feat was it that Deesad showed or gave Bat's?
8 years and batman was simply scarred, no missing arms, eyes leg.
what was the psychological torture. it is vague he lived under Deesads rule not continuous torture.
bats has broken down when he is forced to relive his parents murder.
8 yrs with some one who doesnt soley focus on you as impressive as it may sound is not equal to a life time of torture and pain being forced to relive it in mid battle and breaking free of it.
wolverine has done it repeatedly with the shiva robots, after life, weapon x.. etc etc..
^ Wolverine's regressed many times. He's lost control many times. While that arguably serves to heighten his physical ferocity and compliments his fighting style, it doesn't help focus his will. And I somehow doubt that his personal resolution at the very end of Wolverine: Origins is going to reverse that trend anytime soon. Even though it should. That doesn't make sense at all.
^ I understand that Wolverine has willed himself past his mental regression. Wolverine having to do that many many times over his long history doesn't contribute to his ability of maintaining focused will as is required by GL rings, it actually detracts from it.
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Oct 20th, 2010 06:52 PM
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You're a sicko.
