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Electra for the win, but not in any way a stomp.

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Originally posted by SasuOna
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Elektra isn't superhuman
and neither is Cass however her feats make everything Elektra has done pail in comparison.
If you want to use the Slade argument I can use the Bullseye argument ad nauseum the same way. Thats not proving anything.

However unless Elektra can do things like this shes not beating Cass

kicks through a brick wall
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/...tgirl002-15.jpg
kicks through 3 inch quartz
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...girl019-14.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...girl019-15.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...girl019-16.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...girl019-17.jpg

Durability feats
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ead/page17.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/page19-1.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/page20-1.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ead/page22.jpg

Beats the Brotherhood of Evil by herself
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ad/page-18.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ad/page-19.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ad/page-20.jpg

there's nothing in those scans elektra hasnt matched and elektra is indeed a metahumand as she has actual superpowers like mind possesion, TP, etc. this is like saying iron fist isn't superhuman.

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there's nothing in those scans elektra hasnt matched and elektra is indeed a metahumand as she has actual superpowers like mind possesion, TP, etc. this is like saying iron fist isn't superhuman.

Why bring up TP in a H/H fight?

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Why bring up TP in a H/H fight?

Missed that OP detail. Point still stands. Elektra has superpowers, she's not just pushing the limits of peak human.

Dec 16th, 2010 03:50 PM

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Why bring up TP in a H/H fight?

h/h doesn't preclude the use of TP

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h/h doesn't preclude the use of TP

Yeah it does.

If h/h "doesn't preclude the use of TP" then where is the line drawn?

How is offensive tp any different from energy blasts or magic or other things that are traditionally left out from h/h matches?

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Yeah it does.

If h/h "doesn't preclude the use of TP" then where is the line drawn?

How is offensive tp any different from energy blasts or magic or other things that are traditionally left out from h/h matches?

no one said anything about offensive tp

but I would assume defensive tp (ie mindreading) would still be allowed

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Yeah it does.

If h/h "doesn't preclude the use of TP" then where is the line drawn?

How is offensive tp any different from energy blasts or magic or other things that are traditionally left out from h/h matches?

no it doesent

certainly no out defensive tp.

Becuase she not attacking with it. She simply using it to read her opponents mind. Based on your logic, we should preclude body reading as well. If your argueing for batgirl, thats not something you want to happen.........

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no one said anything about offensive tp

but I would assume defensive tp (ie mindreading) would still be allowed

I know right, it funny because the only time were people try and pretend that her TP should be removed because it h2h, is when she pitted against DC characters, and in particular batgirl. Yet you see no one pretending that body reaching is removed becuase it h2h, nor radar senses ect.

h2h means the fight in body against body, however that does not mean defensive abilities such as mind reading or body reading, or healing factor , or super strength ect. would be removed

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Mind reading is in no way "defensive" if anything it's offensive... As it involves you looking into your opponents mind... Defensive protections are one thing which prevent people from invading your mind.. But reaching into someone else is all offensive

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mind-reading isn't defensive tp, imo.

a purely h2h match would be that, though: h2h. no tp.

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I don't think h2h his synonymous with no powers. Elektra's telepathy is just an ability she uses to augment her melee capabilities, I would consider it fair game unless no powers was specified by the OP.

Either way Elektra should take the majority.

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I don't think h2h his synonymous with no powers. Elektra's telepathy is just an ability she uses to augment her melee capabilities, I would consider it fair game unless no powers was specified by the OP.

Either way Elektra should take the majority.

it usually is.

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it usually is.

So if I said Hulk vs Thing h2h... you would think that means what? No healing / super strength / durability?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

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So if I said Hulk vs Thing h2h... you would think that means what? No healing / super strength / durability?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

they don't have other avenues of attack bar physical, so it's not the same thing.

the point stands. if elektra has passive, non offensive tp, then it's allowed.

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they don't have other avenues of attack bar physical, so it's not the same thing.

the point stands. if elektra has passive, non offensive tp, then it's allowed.

That's pretty convoluted...

Generally speaking she can't mind rape / control anyone, so it is about as "passive" and "non offensive" as tp can get.

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That's pretty convoluted...

Generally speaking she can't mind rape / control anyone, so it is about as "passive" and "non offensive" as tp can get.

whether you think so or not, it's how it is.

as long as she isn't using it to read their minds, there should be no problem with it.

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whether you think so or not, it's how it is.

as long as she isn't using it to read their minds, there should be no problem with it.

You should amend the rules to make that clear because it is contrary to what is actually in there...

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You should amend the rules to make that clear because it is contrary to what is actually in there...

howso?

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howso?

Particularity the Full Capacity rule. It isn't made clear anyway that the h2h qualifier is actually means that we are arbitrarily disabling some powers used to solely to augment h2h capabilities, while allowing other on a whim.

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