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The sword is unquestionably more powerful than she is. You act like I'm saying she's omnipotent. Creating Skyloft and the dragons, seperating Skyloft from the world, these are feats. She's not anywhere close to Din, Farore, or Nayru. But she is certainly powerful.
The sword is more so. No limit fallacy? Name one. It'll be fun.
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The moon and stars aren't just shades of lead
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But not link, only the sword. So Demise, Ganon etc have never been able to stop a kid from hitting them with said sword. Their not combat feats and are vague tbh.
ok, "indestructable shield", no limits fallacy oh Lord of fallacies.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Demise wasn't even at full power. The whole point of that fight was to beat him before he finished draining Zelda/Hylia's soul.
Hylian shield is legit unable to be broken by anything in game, though.
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Sure it would be, if I tried to claim that against things it's not been tested against. In the universe where it's stated to be indestructable and nothing has ever broken it? Good enough. It's not even in this thread, but Demise can't break it.
Link is, again, to a kid what an astartes is to a couch potato. He's stronger, faster, better. Shit, he's even super-musical. He owns a harp for five minutes and plays an unnecessarily complex tune after hearing it once.
And it's mentioned in game that Link himself becomes more powerful as he travels with Fi.
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The moon and stars aren't just shades of lead
But you wouldn't know as you rest your head.
No, claiming its indestructable in a vs thread is simply a no limits fallacy. Its not indestructable and the claim is useless if all your saying is, people in Hyrule cant damage it, thats not saying much.
Terrible comparison. The power of courage and quick learning is the only real difference, his strength and speed come in short and his durability non excistent, hence why he has to fend off blows with a shield, wooden or "indestructable" Hylian
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There's far more difference than that. Shit, a minor character in the game, Fledge, is pointedly a coward and a weakling, who after a little encouragement from Link can do 4000 push ups as a 'warm up'. This is someone who looks up to Link as a paragon.
Zelda has a lot of Charles Atlas superpower going on. Link himself spends a lot of time in game working impossibly large mechanisms like the dias on the Isle of Songs, or besting giant monsters in sword fights. More of the typical Zelda fare.
By the end of the game he can go through every single boss enemy in the game in a gauntlet without any aid, back to back with no rest, and come out ahead, lol. Including Ghirahim, who bests one of the aforementioned city busting dragons in combat.
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The moon and stars aren't just shades of lead
But you wouldn't know as you rest your head.
Add "super" fitness adviser and medicore skill to the "courage" and "learning" list then. Thats still nothing useful combatwise. Also I bet if I even bothered to look it up, "city busting" is probably nowhere as impressive as your trying to make it sound.
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Yes, because the ability to walk through a gauntlet of super-powered monsters by yourself isn't impressive? How about soloing an entire army by yourself? And doing it in a few minutes?
Skyward Sword Link does both of those things.
Faron, the water dragon floods an entire region of the world, and does so casually. She drains it just as quickly. Impa, at the time very advanced in age, holds back the tide of billions of galons of water with "a simple seal".
Impa, in her prime, tries to hold back Ghirahim with a similar shield and he physically shatters it. He also bests the dragon, Faron, in combat. Link humiliates him. He's a part of the gauntlet Link walks I mentioned before, too. Hah.
Oh, Ghirahim is just Demise's sword. Demise himself is much more powerful. And Demise reincarnates as Ganondorf, and gains a piece of the triforce, making him even more powerful.
Why you're debating Link I don't know, we're debating Ganondorf.
Ganondorf who can BFR Kharn if piercing his armour seems to be a hassle, which given that Kharn lacks armour on his arm, may not be an issue.
Who can Become incorporeal, or attack Akuma's soul from the twilight realm. Or just fly up and rain lightning on him.
Who can physically tear War limb from limb.
Who can use his TK, and magical barriers to keep them separated.
Ganondorf clears fight one, imho.
Fight two? I'll need to debate with Scenario, and hopefully, BR, to be able to tell. Once that's decided you can come back and defend Kain all you like, he's the weakest member of his team.
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The moon and stars aren't just shades of lead
But you wouldn't know as you rest your head.
lol show me "super powered" and no its not really, not by fictions standards or those in this gauntlet.
Show me that, actually sounds impressive.
Well you dont know its similiar do you? all we know is he spends a good few minutes hitting it.
Ill add to that, he cant fall a few meters without being incapaciated.
Show me Ganondorfs BFR spell, if its "the gap between dimensiosn" then Kharn needs to be a lifeless body who will allow himself to be extremely slowly moved to the portal.
I would like to see this, him attacking while incpororeal. As for tearing War limb from limb? lulzy, he cant break the block of a kid.
You wouldnt know, since you dont know Kain at all and therefore cannot compare although your a troll so its expected, weakest or not, hes still so far beyond dorf, demise and link, as well as the majority of this gauntlets members its laughable.
FLOOD EVERYTHING seems to be the standard divine reaction to problems.
35 seconds exactly before Ghirahim shattered that barrier.
Consistency, average, etc. In effect, one low showing does not actually invalidate everything, such as Ghirahim being unharmed by the Master Sword or getting struck by lightning repeatedly.
No I mean actually show me her shielding "billiosn of gallons" of water, not mensions of some flooded forest.
Theres no "everything", its canon he has to fall to be beaten and it incapciates him. This Master sword stuff sounds like gameplay nonsense, not that the MS is powerful in any way.
Thats not BFR, also I would be surprised if any character in games vs stood there for the time it took to do. Looks to me like it only affected the helpless body of his phantom tbh, not sure if he could take someone who has any will at all.
He sort of goes invisible, then re-apears to attack. Also, I like how your having to use almost every showing of Ganon and his forms under the sun as if every form is capable of everything the others have done, I think in that last video he had the full triforce?
It's also canon that the Master is only capable of driving him backward slightly, not hurting him, which is the reason he needs to be pushed in the first place. He's also slamming into a powerful forcefield, so try to remember context.
Again, nothing prevents that from being opened under someone's feet, which didn't actually take that long.
He didn't reappear to attack, though. I linked you directly to him launching a firebat while invisible and incorporeal. He wasn't using the Triforce there anyway.
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The fall doesn't even incapacitate him. Being beaten down with the master sword and knocked onto his back isn't 'incapcitation'. Lol, it's being knocked down. Link happens to follow him with his sword.
Edit:
So, since I made this thread for debate, banging my head against a particularly thick wall, Scenario, whatcha think of fight two?
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The moon and stars aren't just shades of lead
But you wouldn't know as you rest your head.
Damn, wasnt as impressive as I hoped, I was imagining a vast field of energy, ala the Atlantis disney movie holding back a vast tide. Instead she just used a bit of magic and a door to dam the water by the sounds of it.
I did remember, he is just falling a few meters, theres no "slamming" so stop trying to hype anything, I could probably take falling that distance better.
Took longer than anyone here would take avoiding it though although, the fact it appeared directly in the middle makes me wonder if its just area specific and cant be made anywhere.
lieing there like a cripple is pretty incapacitated. All here could probably throw him higher than he fell there, no doubt killing him, smashed like a china doll.
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I had a good laugh at that. Even with a human's strength and a normal sword, more damage can be done than from a fall. At the beginning of the game he stops sword blows from Link, who is exceptional at this point, with a magic sword.
That precludes falling damage, I'm afraid, on it's own. Let alone his later feats. You've never even played a Zelda game, claiming you know more about them than I do is one of the stupidest things you've ever said. I've played all of them, and been a fan for my entire life. I've loved Zelda games longer than you have existed.
Trying to use one piece of gameplay, and then intentionally misinterpret it, against all of Ghirahim's other feats is hilarious. Especially when you try to convince people Kain is more durable than the crust of a planet. Kain is less durable than Dumah was, Dumah was impaled by humans.
How's that for canon? Gtfo my thread with your bias, so I can have a proper debate. If it's agreed Ganon makes it to fight three, I'll take you off ignore.
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The moon and stars aren't just shades of lead
But you wouldn't know as you rest your head.
He stops them, doesnt take them also I am only seeing gameplay not cutscenes. Also, he was still incapcitated, not even a human can fall from that and be down for so long, so its obvious even if his outer shell is decently durable his inner body is like crab tissue.
I didnt say that, go read my posts. Seems to be your problem, if you spent a fraction of the time you goggle Ganon with saliva pouring down your shirt on reading posts and checking your own for the many errors youd get somewhere.
Its not just a piece of gameplay, its a canon cirumstance that has to happen. I didnt convince anyone on the durability subject, the math made by many other people did which funnily enough proved most nay sayers wrong, you bringing up something completly false does not counter that.
lol, you, a proper debate? ill belive it when I see it, proper of course meaning no trolling, actual arguments and evidence.
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