Bruce should win this. Without the speed or reflexes to match clarks senses, they wouldnt really do much. just because to supes it will look like a few seconds for a punch to reach him doesn't change the fact that it's moving in real time, and supes own moves would look like slo-mo to him also since his perception is so much faster than his movement. Picture the scene from Spiderman 1 when pete dodges flashes punches. Without the speed/reflexes to back up his senses he would just be watching himself get punched in the face in slo-mo. It might give him a small edge by letting him notice a strike is coming a little sooner and give him a chance to react to it but Bruce's speed, reflex, and skill advantage should easily overcome that.
I wasn't saying the seed difference was THAT much, just that there is one, also that knowing you're about to be kicked in the throat doesn't mean you can avoid it.
if anything, heightened mental speed coupled with slow physical speed is more of a hindrance than a help - too much time to think about changing your move, no time to actually do it.
So Batman isn't a good enough strategist to beat Superman in Chess in under 3 minutes and has to resort to a physical fight that he's not guaranteed to win?
Depowered Supes is still a very capable fighter. It's been shown many times on panel that Supes, while completely powerless, isn't helpless against super-villains. I think the reflexes/speed thing is being played up a bit here. I'm pretty sure he can survive 180 seconds with Batman.
Clark isn't peak human under a red sun, even Olympic would be a stretch.
There is more to skill than reflex. Batman has perfect application of technique, meaning all things being equal between him and Clark (which they aren't), Bruce will be attacking with %100 efficiency with the movement of his punches and kicks allowing him to get more of his body weight behind his attacks, more torque, more acceleration, more snap and more speed and power behind all of his attacks.
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This is an awesome thread!
Sure if you aren't fast enough then your reflexes are moot.
It all depends on how much faster Bats is over Clark. With equal movement speed Clark owns. If Bats is more than 4 times as fast then he wins. Remember in boxing your hands are already up so you would only have to move your arms or head about 1/4 of the distance the attack was thrown at in order to block or parry. Plus Clark has got good countering ability if he is fast enough.
I'm sorry I forgot this was MMA (not boxing lol). The title threw me off.
Well in that case Bat has an even better chance to win than I previously thought by simply trying to grab Clark and make it a wrestling match. After all, when grappled up, perceptions are almost meaningless if you are physically weaker and less skilled.
But in a striking fight Clark has a much better chance to win.
I think Superman is tough enough to at least last long enough to possibly beat Batman on the chessboard. I don't think Batman is putting Clark down and out in a single 3 minute round.
Superman, while depowered, on panel, has defeated opponents and situations arguably more formidable than Batman. This is unarmed combat. I'm not saying Superman wins, but I don't think it's a clean cut victory for Batman on both the chess and fighting fronts, though I think Batman's odds of winning are arguably better in the fight than they are on the chessboard, if only because of the pace at which the game of chess could possibly be played at.
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