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Tzeentch
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The Master Chief can't lift tanks. That's a game mechanic. Every official source that states his strength lists it as about a ton. The Halo encyclopedia specifically states he can lift about two tons.

Scorpion tanks weigh 65 tons. Or 55, don't remember for sure.


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Blax knows what's up.

Class 2 at best isn't equivelant to tanking tank shots.

Also, stfu Robtard, MC fell from about the same height as Iron Monger.


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Whatever the stuff inside IronMonger was, was at least 5X what Ironman had. So I wouldn't use him as a decent comparison to Ironman when it comes to durability. Considering what Ironman has shown at full power.

Don't use IronMonger feats for Ironman.


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Blax knows what's up.

Class 2 at best isn't equivelant to tanking tank shots.

Also, stfu Robtard, MC fell from about the same height as Iron Monger.


LoL, arbitrarily making up numbers "class two". Chief's flipping 66 ton tanks and ripping apart the IM suit with ease.

Yeah, no. Monger never left the Earth's atmosphere. Watch the damn film.


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"Class 2" isn't an arbitrary number, it means "2 tons". <--- Halo canon states that Spartan 2's can lift 2 tons.


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Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, arbitrarily making up numbers "class two". Chief's flipping 66 ton tanks and ripping apart the IM suit with ease.

Yeah, no. Monger never left the Earth's atmosphere. Watch the damn film.
"Class two" is a Marvel comics term, used to describe characters who can press two tons above their heads.

I am sorry, but obvious gameplay mechanic is blatantly obvious. The ****ing human marines in Halo 2 or the ODST guys in ODST can flips tanks too, are they that strong?

The Halo Encyclopedia directly explains that a Spartan in armour can press two tons above their head on average.

I can't find a pdf of it or a scan of it, but that is what it says boyobo. Maybe Blax will find it for you.

Master Chief wasn't "out of" Earth's atmosphere either, son.


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Why do Robtard's arguments sway me, so?



Ironman should be class 100, iirc, in his Mark VI. I do not know where I'm pulling that number from and it is most likely from me combing the comics with the movies.

MC has a personal shield.

We are using the short films (I am excluding the Dragonball-esque short) and the short film shows a Spartan-II (a female) throwing an orbital entry pod 20-30 meters. Based on the size of the pod, I'd estimate the mass to be about 1-2 tonnes. The important factor here is how easily she threw the pod. Rough estimate on her lifting strength: 20-50 tonnes.


I may have calced that "strength" feat from that Spartan-II, actually. Compared it to the world-record shot-put (because that record is remarkably close to the distance the pod was thrown and they are throwing that the shot-put in optimal "tossing" fashion making her feat greater than the scaled down human one). Hmmm. Does anyone remember that thread and what I concluded? Don't feel like spending the 30 minutes researching and calculating to come up with a minimum, again.


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I have no idea what you are talking about, nor have I watched these alleged "short films" you speak of.

Iron Man is class 100 in the comics, but I don't think he has shown that in the movies, not to my recollection.


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I have no idea what you are talking about, nor have I watched these alleged "short films" you speak of.


I have some patronzing advice for you:

It may be helpful to actually watch the film being used in this thread matchup before you comment.

You know that sadness you have right now? Suck it.

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Iron Man is class 100 in the comics, but I don't think he has shown that in the movies, not to my recollection.


He hasn't but his lifting feat of the SUV while on very low power is still a good feat, imo.

The Hulk-Buster armor is stronger at 150+ tons. I know we are not using that but I am just indicating how the various armors can vary wildly.


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I think his base armor in the comics is low 100 tons at best. I know some sources classed him as sub 100...

But he can overcharge his armor, making him well above class 100, which is why he can wipe the floor with characters like Thing or Colossus in a fight, or hold his own with Namor and knock out Hulk...

But yeah, the movie Iron Man doesn't have too many lifting feats..

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It may be helpful to actually watch the film being used in this thread


No.

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He hasn't but his lifting feat of the SUV while on very low power is still a good feat, imo.

The Hulk-Buster armor is stronger at 150+ tons. I know we are not using that but I am just indicating how the various armors can vary wildly.


Was it an SUV? I forgot. How heavy are SUVs again?

And huh, the Hulk-Buster Armour is going to be in Avengers?


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I think his base armor in the comics is low 100 tons at best. I know some sources classed him as sub 100...

But he can overcharge his armor, making him well above class 100, which is why he can wipe the floor with characters like Thing or Colossus in a fight, or hold his own with Namor and knock out Hulk...


Indeed.

And if it were not for the shitty writing and prose-style in most comics these days, I'd be very tempted to read the last 2 or 3 years of the Ironman comics. The tech used gives me boners.


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No.


GTFO, nigga.


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Was it an SUV? I forgot. How heavy are SUVs again?

And huh, the Hulk-Buster Armour is going to be in Avengers?


SUVs range, greatly, in weight. I do not remember the SUV picked up but it looked generic and medium in size. Its "in use" weight is probably 3 tons.


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Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed.

And if it were not for the shitty writing and prose-style in most comics these days, I'd be very tempted to read the last 2 or 3 years of the Ironman comics. The tech used gives me boners.





Some recent runs have been very good. But I agree most current writers just aren't very good.


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It was an Audi Q5 (since Audi has the car-marketing rights for the IM films); they weight 2 tons.

A Spartan is WAY stronger. John wins, he's stronger, faster, more durable and a trained killer.

The IM fanboys need to spit Tony's cock out of their mouths.

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Why do Robtard's arguments sway me, so?

Does anyone remember that thread and what I concluded?


Cos I'm so awesome and full of "right".

Probably the John Vs Sauron thread, where that German kid kept making stuff up since he didn't actually read the books. That was a funny thread.

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Master Chief wasn't "out of" Earth's atmosphere either, son.


He entered Earth's atmosphere from outer-space; survived the heat/pressure and then crashed into the ground, kid.


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Wait, there's a Halo Movie? I don't pay much attention to Halo or Master Chief but how come MC can use his game feats but Iron Man is restricted only to movie feats?

Seems a bit unfair.

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There are several short films in one collection, some are good; some are crap.

Master Chief wins without game feats.


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Master Chief wins without game feats.
Considering how those aren't allowed, he has to. But he doesn't. Proof is in previous posts involving Halo canon. He can't hit hard enough to break the armor (or Stark inside, apparently)

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Considering how those aren't allowed, he has to. But he doesn't. Proof is in previous posts involving Halo canon. He can't hit hard enough to break the armor (or Stark inside, apparently)


He's stronger than a lesser (female) Spartan who can toss 1.6 tons like it were a baseball. He's stronger enough, many times over.

Watch the damn Halo films before you comment, you're like Nemobro now.


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What if we used Iron Man from Iron Man Adventures? At this point, he's enhanced on Extremis...

Sure, it's technically not a movie, but than are animated shorts? ^_^

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Watch the damn Halo films before you comment, you're like Nemobro now.


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What if we used Iron Man from Iron Man Adventures? At this point, he's enhanced on Extremis...

Sure, it's technically not a movie, but than are animated shorts? ^_^


TV Series are not the same thing. We argued and got a ruling about this a couple of years back from Impediment. Things like the Animatrix, Halo Legends, and even made for TV movies are allowed. TV Series are not.


I believe we could use the old man that played chess against himself in the animated short before Toy Story 2, if we wanted to get picky on who is allowed and who isn't.


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