Do you even read Thanos? I mean honestly this is news to you? So tell me.. was the saying.. SILVER BULLET ever used to describe what Drax is to Thanos? YES on panel. Was it ever said that drax has it ENCODED in his DNA to land the killing blow on Thanos? YES on panel. Was it stated by the writer of Annihilation.. that Drax continually comes back different until he finally finds the right match to be able to kill Thanos? Yes. Did the same writer say in an interview... That is what the green aura was around drax and allowed him to get through the shields and punch through Thanos... The green aura was shutting down Thanos molecular control among other things... Did he say this.. YES.. So WHAT EXACTLY made up again?
1.) Before I get into that, please post feats of TI Thanos mindraping an opponent. This is the 3rd time I've asked for this now.
2.) Val TANKED a "full force" blow from pre-crisis Superboy. He [Val] came out literally unaffected. Val has also casually one-shotted PC Superboy a few times. Casually. Calling it hyperbole just tells me that you know nothing of the characters you debate against. Superboy himself is the one who said that Val was 12x more powerful than he. :/
3.) I did answer the question. You simply ignored it. In comics, energy blasts are NEVER equal to physical strikes (my Superboy Prime example beautifully illustrated that fact.) Thanos endured an attack from a diminished CC. That in no way/shape/form implies that he can 'tank' punches from a being who is capable of one-shotting pre-crisis Kryptonians. energy attacks=/=physical strikes. This no limits fallacy needs to stop.
4.) This is TI THANOS. Furthermore, you are highly exaggerating most of the feats you listed for pre-TI Thanos. No surprise there.
5.) This is TI Thanos. Post feats of TI Thanos using TP, plz.
6.) Go back and search through the Monarch and Zoom threads. Upon so doing you will find that I never stated they could do something that they have never done on panel.
Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 27th, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Hey just to clear this up now, I only intended TI Thanos, and TI Thanos alone to be debated.
Please don't bring up feats from any other 'version' of Thanos. Based on all the wanking I've seen TI Thanos receive, I figured his feats alone would be enough to contend with Validus. Is that not the case?
Validus is one of the few PC characters who was consistently portrayed as being uber imo. I can't even recall any low showings from him off the top of my head.
1. He didn't have to mindrape anybody.. he NEVER tried.. Are you now claiming he lost the ability to mind rape is that your new claim? If so, please post any evidence to support that. We still know he had TP resistance.. since ya know.. once he got SOME of his strength back.. THREE o fthe strongest TP's in Marvel couldn't even touch him anymore.
2. Thanos has ONE SHOT KILLED people with ease... even in his weakest form... WHICH characters has Validus ONE SHOT KILLED please? none. Okay, point proven.
3. You keep acting like I said energy blasts = blunt force Trauma.. PLEASE POINT TO ANY PLACE I SAID THIS. If not, I'll accept your concession that I never did, and you just like typing stuff just to type.
4. I LISTED Blunt Force trauma feats that Thanos has endured. Yet you still think I'm acting like they are the same. I'm not, I listed MAGUS with the IG NOT KOING Thanos when he hit him WITH HIS HAND. I listed PG Thor not even coming close to KOing with the PG not holding back. I listed TWO characters BEYOND validus that HIT thanos and didn't even come close to KOing let alone kill him. Yes, that makes me have a hard time believing Validus is going to do SOMETHING NOBODY HAS EVER DONE BEFORE. If you knew THanos, you would know the times he's been KO'd, while few, are by energy blasts... Hmmm see where I'm going here, and why I brought up the CC blast... If THAT couldn't even KO him.. why on God's green earth would I believe punches from Validus would.
5. Don't think I didn't notice you NOT ADDRESSING AGAIN.. HOW THE HELL Validus would even touch Thanos. Do you concede if Thanos fought smart.. Validus would never even touch Thanos. If you do, then how can you feel that Validus would for certain beat Thanos? Try and answer the question this time.
6. Please point out WHICH feats I exaggerated... you made the claim so which feats did I list that weren't true?
7. Are you now claiming that this Thanos was different and LOST all his powers compared to previous Thanos? is that the idiocy you and the the OP are trying to pass off? If anything, Thanos became stronger than his previous incarnations.. not weaker.. Thanos had limited showings in T.I. but there was NOTHIGN ever said about him losing ANY of his powers or abilities. So why wouldn't feats before T.I. apply.. please explain..
i asked Galan the same question.. how does Validus EVEN TOUCH Thanos if he fights smart? Please explain... Please explain how I'm suppose to believe EVEN if he fought like an idiot (the only way Validus even touches him) that he woudl be the one to FINALLY KO Thanos via blunt force trauma, since ya know, that has never KOed him before.
Well, if Thanos offensively and defensively uses teleportation, he could make things difficult for Validus to attack him. At absolute best case scenario, that would just be a draw for Thanos.
And if Thanos does fight on Validus' "level" so to speak, he's getting his face pounded in. Applying a grossly absurd "no limits fallacy" on Thanos is, frankly, pretty ridiculous here. "He's never been KOed by blunt force trauma so why should I believe PC Validus has the means to do so?" Seriously? Validus, as mentioned before, one shots top tier beings without exerting effort. Physically, that's within Thanos range and that's being pretty generous. You don't think Thanos is immune to being KOed, do you?
1.) This no limits fallacy crap is getting old. You: "TI Thanos never mindraped anyone, but he could have if he wanted to." You: "TI Thanos was never KO'd, therefore he can't be KO'd by ANYTHING." Laughable bias.
2.) So Validus not "ONE SHOT KILLING" someone means he cannot KO Thanos? Laughable bias.
3.) You incessantly keep bringing up the CC instance, as though it has a bearing on Thanos enduring punches from Val. THAT is what I've responded to.
4.) You listed exaggerated durability feats from pre-TI Thanos. Not TI Thanos.
5.) TI Thanos came off like a brawler. Val would absolutely 'touch him' at some point. :/
6.) I'd also like to add that none of the characters you mentioned are physically on par with Val. Even Odin and Tyrant aren't on his strength level. Sure they are more powerful overall--but I'm talking exclusively about strength. That is why literally nothing you mentioned applies here.
7.) Thanos started off a bit weaker in TI, no? He also came off a LOT more animalistic then he'd previously been. Those are the differences I noticed at first glance.
Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 27th, 2012 at 05:05 PM
Make things difficult... You mean win jake, not make things difficult. See unlike Validus... Thanos is immune to death.. Validus is not. Thanos also has unlimited Stamina... Validus does not. Eventually, Thanos would win, and there is no debate about it.
Don't try and pass off what I'm saying as a no limits fallacy Jake, you should know better. I never said he can't be KO'd since he never has been. What I am saying is, that I don't find it plausible to say Validus will for certain KO Thanos when Thanos ENTIRE history completly and totaly contradicts such a stance. My stance is what is probable... your stance is what is possible. Never said it wasn't possible, but the odds are clearly on my side considering Thanos and his history.
1. Good we are making progress... You have NO Proof Thanos lost ANY of his abilities including TP. I agree he didn't, until you can prove he did, we'll just go with the character and his history m'kay.
2. Yet again, something I NEVER said. What I did say, which clearly was beyond understanding for some reason, is that Thanos has also one shot people.. AND... Big Whoop. Shit, Thanos has even ONE SHOT KILLED people.. something Validus has NEVER DONE. Yet, I'm suppose to believe that because Validus one shot people he can one shot Thanos.. ummm okay.. and you claim I'm the one doing a no limits fallacy? There is that kettle again.
3. I listed NUMEROUS feats of blunt force trauma as well, lets not act like I just listed energy blasts... Further, I listed that to show how high his durability even was WHILE WEAKENED. Thanos has shown MORE vulnerability to ENERGY than blunt force Trauma.. Yes I believe a CC blast is above ANYTHING Validus could produce with his fists... and since the CC blast didn't even KO a WEAKENED Thanos, yes that puts him doing so highly debatable.
4. Please point out any exaggeration please
5. BTW.. don't think i didn't notice you not being able to get around Thanos fighting smart and Validus NEVER touching him... I did notice, and concession accepted. Thanos fights smart.. Validus has Zero chance of beating him.
6. Magus with the IG hitting somebody isn't on par with validus and his strikes... BWAHAHAHAHAHHA.. This must be a joke... it must. You're right if you meant Validus isn't on par with that.. if so.. we finally agree. That is one example. Let me ask you this... which do you think would hurt more... numerous blasts from Odin.. and even a focused blast from his spear or punches from Validus? how about tryant.. are his blasts as powerful as a Validus punch. See where I'm going again? Thanos has only been KO'd by energy blasts.. one could very well say he is or has shown more vulnerability to energy than he ever has blunt force... So if those didn't KO him.. you must believe Validus punches are exponentionally more powerful to get the job done compared to somethign that didn't, that thanos has shown more of a weakness to.
7. Now we're using the weakest version of T.I. here? really? LULZZZZZ...
You've ceased making any sense. You have entered a bias-fueled range that makes you look like a childish troll. I'm quite certain you aren't even reading/comprehending any of my posts at this point.
1.) What the hell are you talking about? If TI Thanos never attempted to mindrape an opponent, then why are we assuming he'd do so here? It clearly wasn't in character for this version of Thanos to use such a tactic. Additionally, Saturn Girl has applied her TP on a universal level, and also to mind-phuck the entire LoSH--yet she couldn't do a thing to Val's mind. Even if mindrape were in character for TI Thanos (which it isn't) the likelihood of him affecting Val is slim to none. Again: your no limits fallacies are old at this point. Your bias borders on trolling, tbh.
2.) What the hell? When did I ever say Val can one shot Thanos? Are you even reading my posts? I said that because Val has effortlessly one shotted pre-crisis Kryptonians, it is absolutely logical to assume he could KO Thanos via physical means. Comprende?
3.) AGAIN: energy attacks=/=physical attacks. Superboy Prime tanked universe-busting energies exploding in his face, totally unscathed--yet he was harmed by punches from Connor (who obviously doesn't pack universe-busting+ power behind each punch.) This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
4.) Getting to that.
5.) TI Thanos didn't really fight smart, though. He fought like a brawler/brick. THAT mindset is what's in character for the version of Thanos in this thread. Comprende?
6.) You truly believe Magus packed all of the power at his disposal into his punch before he struck Thanos? Really? You really believe Thanos' durability is superior to the infinity gauntlet's cumulative output? Talk about bias of the highest order. Christ, Thor and Firelord also survived Thanos /w/ IG striking them. Can they tank punches from Val as well? *sighs*
7.) Never said that. Are you reading anything I've said? I merely listed the differences I noticed in TI Thanos. The animalistic demeanor he possessed stood out the most throughout the entire event.
Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 27th, 2012 at 05:36 PM
That's amusing coming from you. I've seen you wank hyperbole of Zoom to the impteenth degree.. Not feats mind you.. hyperbolic statements. Pot meet kettle.. Comprende?
1. You are making some progress here but you're not fully there yet... At least you clarified your position some. You NEVER said it wasn't in character for Thanos to use TP. You asked for his TP feats in T.I. That can clearly be taken to mean since he didn't do any... you don't believe he could... OR it could mean... it's not in character for him to do so. Since it's the latter you were suggesting, then I could concede he very well might not do so.
2. Why is that likely he could do so? Let me get this clear so we are on the same page... WHICH has Thanos shown more vulnerability to... Energy or Blunt force trauma is his history? once you answer this.. we'll get to your assumption.
3. You claim I can't read what is typed... There is that kettle again... POINT TO ANY PLACE I SAID THEY WERE THE SAME.. or concede I never said such a thing or made such a claim.
4. I could see how you could come to the conclusion that he fought like a mindless brawler.. but this was because that universe was having a negative effect on him. He even commented that his mind was a mess in that universe and he couldn't focus. I had no idea we were using a Thanos that was negatively effected by the universe and weakened... I took the OP to mean.. we are using Thanos from T.I. but not clipping his balls. If you guys want to clip his balls, that should've been clearly stated. Just saying T.I. thanos doesn't mean we also have him negatively effected by a universe he isn't even fighting in.. talk about a lame set up.
5. Please point to ANY place I said he packed all of the IG's power into that punch.. I'll be waiting.. if not I'll accept another concession from you. I never said he did. What I did say.. is that Magus had killed people doing the EXACT same thing.. The writer was clearly trying to show that a punch from Magus with the IG was pretty powerful.. right? So yeah, him not even being KO'd by that is very impressive and yes I believe any shot.. even with 5% of the IG is more powerful than any shot from Validus.. You disagree? Do you have any info on how much power of the IG he put into that?
6. Fair enough, as long as you concede that doesn't mean he lost any of his abilities. Think about it.. if we use a superman arc he didn't use freeze breath in or xray vision... Do we then exclude those as options and clear abilities of them because he never used them? No we don't, so why are we doing so here.. to form a bias against a character that was never stated in the OP and you don't do to others in similar threads?
1.) Mindraping opponents wasn't in character for this version of Thanos--it can hardly be said to be in character for Thanos at all right out of the gate. Regardless, it certainly isn't something he'd do here (I asked for feats because I knew there were none, btw.)
2.) Judging by the examples you gave, I can only assume energy.
3.) If they aren't the same, and you know they aren't the same, then why have you been using the CC blast as 'proof' as to how Thanos could endure physical strikes from Val?
4.) TI Thanos fought like a brawler. That 'style' is what's in character for him. I'm 'clipping no balls' in saying that Thanos fought like that, because, well, he did.
5.) Okay, so by your logic, Thor and Firelord can endure strikes from Val, because they also withstood strikes from Thanos /w/ IG? Can you see how faulty that logic is? Thanos not being killed/KO'd by a bitchslap from Magus /w/ IG certainly doesn't mean Val cannot harm him. Christ, if Magus would have wanted Thanos incapacitated, he would have simply WILLED it so. End of story.
6.) I never said he lost abilities. However, the demeanor of TI Thanos was vastly different than his former self--and because of that, he didn't fight like you're claiming he would fight. It simply wasn't in character for him to use all of his abilities (ie. teleporting, etc.) to their best. But even if this were pre-TI Thanos, he'd fight Val just like he fought Odin and Tyrant--brawling mixed with energy attacks.
1. Fair enough, I would say it's not in character for him to do so, and especially not from the jump. I wouldn't however totally eliminate it as a possibility. Thanos is one of the smartest most resourceful people in coimcs.. If he saw physicallity wasn't cutting it, he would do WHATEvER it took to win.
2. That would be a safe assumption and why I brought up energy based attacks. I listed people more powerful than Validus, who couldn't put him down via something he's shown to be more vulnerable to. This doesn't mean I'm saying he couldn't be put down physically. What I am saying is, that if these potent energy based attacks couldn't put him down, then you would have to believe Validus physical attacks (which he's never been KO'd by and not sure to be as vulnerable to) would have to be several levels above those energy attacks. That is where I strongly disagree. I don't think he's physical attacks are beyond them. Do you?
3. See no. 2 for why
4. You said he fought mindless and animalistic... This was largely because of the universe he was in was having a negative affect on his mind. Do you actually believe the OP wanted Thanos to fight in a universe that was negatively effecting him? I don't.
5. So what are you saying here.. That Thanos not being KO'd by the IG slap from Magus wasn't impressive and PIS? I don't get your point here.. Nobody is saying Magus couldn't have killed Thanos with a thought... The point is, and I'll ask you... Do you think by showing somebody killed by a similar strike from Magus and Thanos not being killed.. isn't it pretty obvious he was showing that to be pretty impressive by Thanos?
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