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Ascendancy
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Hah, well I hope they don't try to add to it. Quite seriously there are enough beheadings and killing of innocents in the sagas already. Maybe slightly racier Twilek dancers or something, but that's about it.

I would think that since Lucas allowed for a cartoon/animated Clone Wars that he'd be cool with a live action series or new films.

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Lucas said in his 2008 interview with Total Film that he's left explicit instructions that there aren't to be "any more features [movies]."

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Fvck Lucas so hard.


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He's ensuring the supremacy of his story and creative vision. I can respect that, even if I don't agree with everything he does.

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So basically, he wants to make bank off of "his universe", but he still green-lights substandard EU so he can make a quick buck.

That'd be like Tolkien's family renting out LotR license to various authors and artists who make hobbits that use high sorcery and dwarves crafting rings that make the One look like a pewter trinket.


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To be fair most EU writers have pretty solid science fiction literature credentials for the most part, and George doesn;t really have time to read all of them, but its not like he just lets anyone right them. Like, worrst writer credentials wrise is probably drw karposhynb who still wrote the screenplay for one of the most beloeved rpgs and star wars eu stories of all times.


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To be fair most EU writers have pretty solid science fiction literature credentials for the most part, and George doesn;t really have time to read all of them, but its not like he just lets anyone right them. Like, worrst writer credentials wrise is probably drw karposhynb who still wrote the screenplay for one of the most beloeved rpgs and star wars eu stories of all times.


Read Jedi Trial.

Come back.

Stand by your assertion.


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Like, worrst writer credentials wrise is probably drw karposhynb
Your bad grammar aside, I really like this sentence.


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So basically, he wants to make bank off of "his universe", but he still green-lights substandard EU so he can make a quick buck.


That sounds about right.

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So basically, he wants to make bank off of "his universe", but he still green-lights substandard EU so he can make a quick buck.

That'd be like Tolkien's family renting out LotR license to various authors and artists who make hobbits that use high sorcery and dwarves crafting rings that make the One look like a pewter trinket.


Have you played any of the recent LotR games by any chance?


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Also,this seems entirely relavent


That... was funny. Also, I forgot how weaksauce Boba's gear looks in the old movies. My imagination does a wonderful job of modernizing him when I read any of the books.

Let's be honest: EP I & II in a number of ways sucked hard. Pretty much any scene with baby or baby teen Anakin was punctuated by whining, whining, and more whining. Whiners got Force vaporized in the Old Republic.

No worries though, once they get time travel down I will use the machine to create an alternate past in which I get Lucas drunk and get him to sign over the rights, assuring that the drivel that is the CW animation never gets made and that an Old Republic miniseries and Bane Trilogy are brought into existance.

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The Bane trilogy was deplorable. Path of Destruction was the only semi-decent installment. Flat, one-dimensional characters and replete with Karpyshyn's inability to write a convincing plot.

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Psssh, I loved it, especially the first two books. And it utterly destroys the weakness that is the LOTF saga.

I don't think Jacen could possibly have been a worse Sith. He comes off almost as whiney as Anakin did in the movies. Mara Jade's death was whack. Ben was a brat for the first EIGHT books. Luke wouldn't step up and get the job done, despite all the beatdowns and beheadings he'd handed out when necessary in the past(Truce at Bakura, etc). The Jedi as a whole were ridiculously ineffective and hunting down Lumiya and Aleema. Bah, such a disappointment.

Did you seriously not enjoy at least the first two Bane novels? I really have to disagree about one-dimensional characters. Huge change in Bane throughout. From miner, to soldier accepting a death sentence to save his troops, to up-and-coming sith, to weakness as he begins to doubt himself, to a return when he finds what he's been seeking. Quoordis going from cocksure to a snivelling wretch at Bane's hands. Kas'im certainly had more to him than just an uncaring blade master. He showed a lot of emotion for a Sith when it came to his interactions with Bane. Githany's willingness to manipulate any and everyone that she needed to. Farfalla and Hoth's arguments with one another. Zannah's struggle to completely lose herself as Rain. Rain's cousin trying to figure out who he was supposed to be. Kaan's deception over all the other Sith. There was nothing one-dimensional about anyone in those books.

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LOTF sucked, no question, but there was an abundance of compelling characters and a fascinating story. The Bane trilogy lacked both entirely and was only interesting for its Forcewanking, which means it has the distinction of being on par with TFU at best.

We were given the opportunity of a nine book exploration of a popular and established character's fall to the dark side, something unprecedented. Not to mention that his reasons for doing so were much more complex and multifaceted than Bane's.

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LOTF sucked, no question, but there was an abundance of compelling characters and a fascinating story. The Bane trilogy lacked both entirely and was only interesting for its Forcewanking, which means it has the distinction of being on par with TFU at best.

We were given the opportunity of a nine book exploration of a popular and established character's fall to the dark side, something unprecedented. Not to mention that his reasons for doing so were much more complex and multifaceted than Bane's.


Sorry, edited while you were posting. Anyway, my thoughts are above.

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Sorry, I didn't see your extensive edit:

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Did you seriously not enjoy at least the first two Bane novels?


Path of Destruction was all right, the others sucked.

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I really have to disagree about one-dimensional characters. Huge change in Bane throughout. From miner, to soldier accepting a death sentence to save his troops, to up-and-coming sith, to weakness as he begins to doubt himself, to a return when he finds what he's been seeking. Quoordis going from cocksure to a snivelling wretch at Bane's hands. Kas'im certainly had more to him than just and uncaring blade master. He showed a lot of emotion for a Sith when it came to his interactions with Bane. Githany's willingness to manipulate any and everyone that she needed to. Farfalla and Hoth's arguments with one another. Zannah's struggle to completely lose herself as Rain. Rain's cousin trying to figure out who he was supposed to be. Kaan's deception over all the other Sith. There was nothing one-dimensional about anyone in those books.


That the characters exuded more than one emotion at a random point or underwent a job change or two doesn't complexity or depth make.

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I'll give you that some people like Niathal and Ben certainly show depth, despite the fact that Ben needed a major attitude adjustment through out, Jedi or no, and Fett got fleshed out pretty well also, but even some great characterization on some parts doesn't make up for Jacen's fall basically amounting to him being selfish and blind to his own ambition. Lumiya's manipulation of him between their first meeting and what happened on the asteroid was weak, as well as much of what happened afterward, at least to me. I was also put off by Luke and Mara's unwillingness to put the hammer down when they needed to.

Guess we'll just agree to disagree. We can still be friends as long as I don't find out you have signed Twilight posters decorating your room.

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Sounds good.

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Anyway, no one will ever hold a candle to Lords Ballzack and Nuthugger. There were some true powerhouses. Word is that they will be fleshed-out soon.

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