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8swords
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Re: Blue Marvel Challenge

1. Thor - AvX, BM wins
2. Superman -BM loses
3. Hulk - BM loses unless its professor hulk stick out tongue
4. Captain Marvel loses
5. Nova Prime- BM wins(actually I dunno why, i just think he wins this one :lolsmile
6. Hal Jordan- BM loses
7. Silver Surfer-BM loses
8. Wonder Woman-BM loses
9. Gladiator-IMHO (glads somewhat = sentry) so BM
10. Martian Manhunter - debatablestick out tongue

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Pretty much, yeah.

Some fights are closer than others, and some I can see Blue Marvel pulling out an upset, but for the majority, they should all beat him.


no offense jake but when i first read your response, i thought it was racist, :P

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Originally posted by basilisk
At the moment, yeah he would lose the majority to pretty much all these guys, some more than others though not by stompings.

If they do bring him back they probably need to tone him down a bit. The author kind of made him to much of a 12 year-old fanboy's character (in fact I think he created him while he was a kid, and it shows). Making a character who is as strong as Thor or Hulk, can fly and has antimatter powers etc, and he's a top genius and scientist, and he's a decorated military guy, and he's friends with the Watcher, and Sub-Mariner, and he was an important historical figure, and he was friends with the President, and he beats down King Hyperion - all in his first two appearances - it's just too much. I'm not surprised they haven't used him again outside of What If. There's almost nowhere for a character like that to go.

Actually these days he'd probably beat Thor like everyone else does.


Yeah, he came off as a Gary Stu for Grevioux.

But at the same time, Grevioux was careful to try to point out in dialogue and interviews that he was simply meant to be at level with the top tiers in Marvel, not above it.

-Anyway, he could get a split against Thor physically at least. Thor can do a lot of things he cannot though.

-He loses 10/10 to Superman--not fast enough, only a bullet timer at best by bio extrapolations.

-Looks good against Hulk for a little while, but he's not too fast for Hulk and in the end Hulk's strength feats do shit on his...Maybe his more esoteric powers could help him.

-Captain Marvel, see Superman.

-Nova's far too fast for him.

-Hal Jordan. Krona buster ftw.

-Surfer is too fast perception speed wise, and can do anything he can and more.

-WW, again see Superman.

-Gladiator is too fast, and matches him everywhere else except the whole 'anti-matter' thing.

-J'onn by feat extrapolations, but I'll just say J'onn one shots himself.


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Re: Blue Marvel Challenge

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Originally posted by byrdgang21
So in Blue Marvel's limited appearances he seemed very impressive & powerful. (I really like the character and wish they do more with him). Anyway it's pretty clear that he is one of Marvels top guns. So for this thread I'm curious to see how KMC thinks he would do against the other top heralds in comics.

This ISN'T A GAUNTLET. just want to know how BM does against each opponent.


1. Thor
2. Superman
3. Hulk
4. Captain Marvel
5. Nova Prime
6. Hal Jordan
7. Silver Surfer
8. Wonder Woman
9. Gladiator
10. Martian Manhunter


How would he do in a fight against these guys?


He could prolly take wins from all. They can all beat him too.


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He could prolly take wins from all. They can all beat him too.



This and the most wins I would give anyone here over him (I'm using 2004 Hulk) is 6/10.


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This and the most wins I would give anyone here over him (I'm using 2004 Hulk) is 6/10.

laughing out loud


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Originally posted by byrdgang21

1. Thor
2. Superman
3. Hulk
4. Captain Marvel
5. Nova Prime
6. Hal Jordan
7. Silver Surfer
8. Wonder Woman
9. Gladiator
10. Martian Manhunter


How would he do in a fight against these guys?

I see Blue Marvel getting majority wins vs :
Gladiator
Hal Jordan
Nova Prime
Wonder Woman (assuming he avoids the lasso)
Keep in mind, these would IMHO be close fights, but he wins them.

I see Blue Marvel getting 50/50 vs :
Superman
Captain Marvel
Savage or lesser Hulk

I see Blue Marvel losing vs :
Thor
Silver Surfer
Wonder Woman (if she lasso's him)
Martian Manhunter
Any Hulk greater than Savage Hulk (assuming BFR is off)
These guys and gals are too powerful and versatile so they overwhelm him.


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How does Blue Marvel, being millions of times slower than Superman by feats or bio stats, get 50/50 with Superman?


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Originally posted by zopzop
I see Blue Marvel getting majority wins vs :
Gladiator
Hal Jordan
Nova Prime
Wonder Woman (assuming he avoids the lasso)
Keep in mind, these would IMHO be close fights, but he wins them.

I see Blue Marvel getting 50/50 vs :
Superman
Captain Marvel
Savage or lesser Hulk

I see Blue Marvel losing vs :
Thor
Silver Surfer
Wonder Woman (if she lasso's him)
Martian Manhunter
Any Hulk greater than Savage Hulk (assuming BFR is off)
These guys and gals are too powerful and versatile so they overwhelm him.

You think that blue marvel can get a split against superman? Based on?


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How does Blue Marvel, being millions of times slower than Superman by feats or bio stats, get 50/50 with Superman?


This style of debate is driving mean insane.


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You think that blue marvel can get a split against superman? Based on?



Question. Has Superman ever withstood anitmatter?


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This style of debate is driving mean insane.


Of course it does.

You've yet to form a rebuttal against it.

You don't get access to levels of power you don't demonstrate or even get stated to have.


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Blue Marvel's biggest negative is his lack of appearances/feats. Given that, he's pretty much at a disadvantage against everyone on this list. His best feats--punching Sentry into orbit and beating the Anti-Man--don't begin to stack up to the averages of most of the characters listed here. Some fights are closer than others; I think he'd give Nova/Savage Hulk a good run. He's overmatched against the rest, though, given that the others have significant feats that allow them to punch above their weight classes when pushed.


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Originally posted by carver9
Question. Has Superman ever withstood anitmatter?

Yeah, he has. Both antimatter and Positron attacks.


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Yeah, he has. Both antimatter and Positron attacks.


Do you have scans of this.?

Involving the fts of Blue Marvel. He also worked King Hyperion, threw an emblem and almost split the moon in half, carried a city around...towing an asteroid that was the size of a state.


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How does Blue Marvel, being millions of times slower than Superman by feats or bio stats, get 50/50 with Superman?
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You think that blue marvel can get a split against superman? Based on?

The reason why I gave BM a 50/50 split vs Flying Bricks is because they don't have plot device powers or items (Mjolnir or Lasso of Truth) to use against BM.

Strength, stamina, invulnerability wise, I see BM as a peer to SM/CM/Thor. SM and CM's only other exotic abilities (Heat Vision, Cold Breath, Shazam Bolt) can be countered by BM's anti-matter abilities.


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It's not even a worth arguing whether BM is a peer with Superman on those fronts.

By feats, he's not, but let's just say he is for a moment.

In the end, he's still not a peer in speed however. Not even comparable.

How does he win at all in a forum?


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Do you have scans of this.?

Involving the fts of Blue Marvel. He also worked King Hyperion, threw an emblem and almost split the moon in half, carried a city around...towing an asteroid that was the size of a state.

Yep.

Those are below average feat for superman. He held back hitting a ball so that it doesn't split the moon in half, byrne superman lifted metropolis easily and lifted and carried a mountain to space which could've crushed metropolis in a single step. FYI metropolis is a state in itself.


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Originally posted by zopzop
The reason why I gave BM a 50/50 split vs Flying Bricks is because they don't have plot device powers or items (Mjolnir or Lasso of Truth) to use against BM.

Strength, stamina, invulnerability wise, I see BM as a peer to SM/CM/Thor. SM and CM's only other exotic abilities (Heat Vision, Cold Breath, Shazam Bolt) can be countered by BM's anti-matter abilities.

Superman is above these standard Thor level bricks. The only guy who can match him in strength in marvel is an angry hulk. As for other parameters we can extrapolate BM all we want, but he would never come even close to superman. Superman beats these types of characters every week and twice on sunday.


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Originally posted by abhilegend
Yep.

Those are below average feat for superman. He held back hitting a ball so that it doesn't split the moon in half, byrne superman lifted metropolis easily and lifted and carried a mountain to space which could've crushed metropolis in a single step. FYI metropolis is a state in itself.


My posts about BM fts wasn't directed at you or against Superman since I think both are equals strength wise. I just consider BM more powerful based on what he has shown.


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