A>B>C logic doesn't always work. The Aliens MIGHT be physically superior to John but they're animals and they fight like animals. Especially in AvPR. That scene where Wolf has two by the throat? They didn't even try to claw his arms or impale him with their tails. The Aliens were weaksause in that pos movie. Aside from that I can't even remember him fighting any other Aliens without his weapons except for the PredAlien.
OTOH, John is a skilled martial artist with superhuman stats. Predators have gone down to less.
Aliens are vicious creatures, that have also shown the ability to think their way through solutions at some points.
They also have some advantages John wouldn't have. Such as the ability to run on walls attack with multiple natural razor sharp weapons, claws and tails.
It's been a while since I watched AvP Requiem, but I don't recall Wolf ever fighting MULTIPLE aliens in h2h. He has always had his weapons with him. The only time he fought in pure h2h was the predalien.
I recall one being killed in that nuclear power station when the troops first met them, and the resulting acidic bleeding burning and incapacitating one of the soldiers.
That's not exactly "beating" them in h2h. It was an impressive feat no doubt, but it didn't show impressive h2h skill. Just impressive strength. And he still eventually used his tech there.
He graped a tail from one Alien smashing it into the water, before grapping another Alien in mid air and sending it flying into a wall, and then got tackled by two Aliens and got up a second later with both restrained by the throat.
I admit I haven't seen Brothers in Arms and Unfinished Business (which are non-canon along with The return now) so in my mind I mistakenly counted them as four movies instead of six.
No considering you've yet to actually showcase how John is better than one Alien much less a group of them which Wolf fended off.
Your only real defense is that since Humans have beaten Preds before a superhuman will slaughter them despite the fact a Pred was killing to super strong, fast creatures.
Come on, man. How many times do I have to explain to you that Wolf was armed to teeth with high-tech weapons? He doesn't have them here. It's not like he was walking around killing Aliens with his bare hands. Stop using this A>B>C nonsense.
John is faster and more agile than Wolf and strong enough to hurt him. He is a skilled martial artist and he's got great damage soak as well.
Is John faster than an Alien(creatures Wolf was fast and skilled enough to take on in H2H)?
ABC logic isn't always wrong if you use it in the correct context, you are claiming John's speed is going to overwhelm Wolf, how is it going to overwhelm him when creatures as fast attacking Wolf in multiples couldn't.
Yeah they aren't Martial Artists but it's a statement of speed not martial arts skills. Aliens are fast, lethal, quick killers, and a group of them could not overwhelm Wolf with their speed. So it's a good notion John's speed won't somehow overwhelm wolf either.
I'd say his reflexes are superior to most Aliens on screen and especially the fodder from AvPR. BTW I'm going to ask you again and I hope I'm going to get an answer this time. When did Wolf take on multiple Aliens in AvPR? I can't remember a single instance except the already mentioned part with the two Aliens in the sewer and that was more of a strength feat than anything else.
I'm mostly referring to the sewer scene. He managed to counter multiple aliens coming at him, while there was use of tech some of it was H2H which Wolf did pretty well at.
What are his reflex feats, the only one you've mentioned is the bowling ball and I wouldn't say that puts him past an Alien.
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