@ Q99
Agreed with prettty much all of your estimations, but I would say that "the highest" HIGH is Clone Wars era.
You have Sidious and Yoda combo, the strongest of their respective orders up to that point.
Than you have powerhouses like Dooku, Mace, Anakin (ZonE) who would smack most of previously living characters.
Oh, and Plagueis with his midi-chlorian manipualtion and beastly feats.
Maul and Savage are beasts. Ventress's good.
Some pretty strong Jedi are around like Shaaki Ti, Obi-Wan, Depa, BARRIS
I'd also join KatoR Revan's War and Triumvirate, that would make it MEDIUM probably.
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SWTOR is promoting the notion that Jedi played a significant role in the defeat of Sith forces in the Great Hyperspace War. This is why I am advocating caution for this particular era.
Bro, isn't this thread about an "era" and not just "events"?
I disagree with the botton statement. Their were plenty of strong Sith in different eras. Issue once again is limited information.
This is from Star Wars web based encyclopedia:
An ancient order of Force-practitioners devoted to the dark side and determined to destroy the Jedi, the Sith were a menace long thought extinct. Thousands of years ago, a rogue Jedi had come to the understanding that the true power of the Force lay not through contemplation and passivity. Only by tapping its dark side could its true potential be gained. The Jedi Council at the time balked at this new direction. The dark Jedi was outcast, but he eventually gained followers to his new order.
With the promise of new powers attainable by tapping into the hateful energies of the dark side, it was only a matter of time before the order self-destructed. Power-hungry Sith practitioners fought amongst themselves and dwindled their numbers. Weakened by infighting, the Sith were easily wiped out by the Jedi.
One Sith had the cunning to survive. Darth Bane restructured the cult, so that there could only be two -- no more, no less -- a master, and an apprentice. Bane adopted cunning, subterfuge, and stealth as the fundamental tenets of the Sith Order. Bane took an apprentice. When that apprentice succeeded him, that new Sith Lord would take an apprentice.
Thus, the Sith quietly continued for centuries, until the time of Darth Sidious...
It offers a glimpse of what I also believe.
I don't buy the "abundance" part, bro.
We get to experience PT through the stories of the most prominent members of the Jedi Order. This is why we find this era impressive.
Once again! Limited content on older times becomes an issue to ascertain the competency of Jedi Order in older eras.
Not force power but rather martial development. Even then, majority isn't as competent with sabers as the prominent ones are.
The prominent Jedi of this era are; Yoda; Mace; Anakin; Obi-Wan. Among these, only Yoda and Mace are powerhouses in true sense.
The Sith of this era are already very thin in number. Sidious alone shouldn't tip the scales in favour of HIGH.
MEDIUM rank is decent for this era, IMO.
I agree with the Yoda, Mace and Palpatine part but I still don't get the other part.
Yea. If I revise it, I think I'll mention both ways of doing it.
To an extent, but we know half the sith council of the time. That's not inconsiderable.
Don't get me wrong, even with what we've seen, they did.
But possibly the single biggest and most helpful thing a Jedi did was when Jedi Master Ooroo, who breathed in a poisoning gas, broke his tank and poisoned a bunch of elite units all at once, holding off the tide of Massassi warriors in the battle of Kirrek
Similarly, Odan-Urr's force vision is why a defense of Coruscant was ready, and the defense was lead by four masters.
However, in Kirrek, Odan-Urr tried using battle meditation but it was ineffective until Naga Sadow's control was disrupted and reinforcements arrived, and in Coruscant, the Jedi were simply holding off until Naga's illusions fell and they were able to properly target only the real Sith forces.
Naga Sadow's influence in turn ending not because of the Jedi's actions, but an apprentice turning on him.
Without the Jedi, they would've never lasted long enough for that to happen, but the Jedi were not able to turn the battles with the force. They appeared competent, reasonably skilled, but didn't show the same level of power that the Jedi of the Exar Kun war- who only got a bit more page time- did.
Yea, yea, it's written as eras, but still, I like to separate it by geography. There's too many groups and people in stasis and people in hiding at almost any time.
We know some of the eras pretty well.
Heck, often we know there's, like, two strong sith by design!
But we've also seen some of these strong people compared to people of different eras. And we've seen a fair amount of some other eras and still not seen near as many powerhouses.
If there were a couple Yoda/Mace/Dooku/etc. level people in KotoR, we'd know!
And a lot of the time, just because we see Jedi from their point of view, they still don't come off as power houses.
Sidious and Dooku. And I disagree with leaving out Anakin and Obi-wan. Anakin was a beast at the end, and Obi-wan was able to do stuff like, not just hold off against Anakin, but also fight two strong warriors like Maul and Opress at the same time.
While not the uber-high level of Sidious and Yoda, Anakin and Obi-wan and such are still high tier by the standards I'm using on other eras.
Don't get me wrong, I'm liking the input and different ways of seeing things ^^ I'm explaining why I did what I did, but other suggestions = good thing.
Maul had confirmed that he didn't actually plan on killing Kenobi. We see how effortlessly Maul has ragdolled Obi Wan around with the force on numerous occasions and how quickly he took Obi Wan out after Obi Wan managed to cut off Savage's arm. So IMO, Maul is higher than Obi Wan, and should probably be placed up there, especially considering his impressive TK feats.
I'd also place the CW era as high. They have some of the best saber duelists. And while it was not as common for them to face a sith as other eras, they were prepared for them as Yoda mused during his fight with Sidious (ROTS novel).
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Feb 26th, 2013 06:17 PM
