He falls at Plagueis. From what i heard, Plagueis might be able to take advantage over TM Sidious with his force powers. It would be even much easier against Mace.
Its not guaranteed, but if Windu can turn something as small as 'its raining' into 'go to the ledge and break the window, Palpatine will transfer some of the power he's using for speed into a grip on the ledge and you can capitalise on that', he can figure out 'break mask, win'.
Sidious' superior Force Powers didn't really. I think Windu is powerful enough that he can survive them, as he did against Sidious.
No, he isn't. ROTS Sidious > Plagueis. You keep hating that every discussion comes back to Mace's fight against Sidious if you want, but it is what it is. Like it or not. He defeated one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history, if not the most. How is Plagueis, who is ROTS Sidious' inferior, be "just too powerful for Mace"? A flawed logic.
Unless you're just messing around.
The combination of Shatterpoint and Vaapad will prove too much for Plagueis to handle, unless he has some unheard of Force ability which grants him the edge over such abilities.
Not really. Your whole argument relies on the fact that Mace beat Palpatine legitimately, and if he had then I'd favor him.
But he didn't. With that said, Plagueis has succesfully brought down cave ceilings, disintegrated half a dozen armored Maladians and then half a dozen more simultaneously with the same wave while injured, used choke on Palpatine (who was more powerful than Mace at this point), etc. There is a very noticeable disparity in power.
Yes, and Sidious' TK is also very impressive, killed three of "the Order's most celebrated swordsmen" in less than a minute, and is considered the most powerful Sith Lord as of ROTS.
Explain how Mace didn't beat Palpatine legitimately.
Palpatine's fear led to a shatterpoint, allowing Mace to win. But it wasn't Palpatine's real fear (Mace thought so), it was Anakin's fear. Palpatine misdirected the fear so it seemed like his own and Mace realizes this at the end of the fight. Palpatine wanted to lose.
Which would have been very useful against Mace had the fight not started with 3 other Council level Jedi Masters whom Sidious had to quickly blitz thereby being forced to engage Mace in a Lightsaber duel right from the start.
And yet Mace was still being forced back and on the defensive for the first 20 seconds of their fight. And even after Mace began to even the odds, he still required a tactical advantage (the window ledge thing).
Like it or not that fight had circumstances attached to it. In a one on one fight in an open space I have no doubt Sidious would take a majority against Mace. He's simply more powerful.
Don't get me wrong Mace is still Uber. No other Jedi (except Yoda) could defeat Sidious under any circumstance.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Aug 12th, 2013 at 04:27 PM