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Couldnt Flash just steal his speed?


Has he used that maneuver as of late ?


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Flash rarely if ever use that move. Don't know why these type of things only apply to Flash but when debating characters like Surfer (who would piss on Flash if we used all of his showings), arguments like this gets exempted.


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Flash rarely if ever use that move. Don't know why these type of things only apply to Flash but when debating characters like Surfer (who would piss on Flash if we used all of his showings), arguments like this gets exempted.


lol, no.


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Yes using retarded arguments as your own basis is the way to go.

You mean the guys who have been beaten by nearly everyone in DC? They are difficult to argue against? Or is it all the completely made up feats and instances that are difficult to argue against? Flash has potential, good for him. So does every other character in comics. If we ground every other character around what's happened in comics, naturally Flash should be exempt. Right?

Snide remark? How so? It's not very snide to say that your arguments involving Flash today have amounted to a giant piece of stool. And if you're actually serious about anything that you said in the Galactus thread then your opinions regarding Flash are not to be taken with a grain of salt in any thread.

And even worse is that Doomsday made Flash look like a street leveler in comics. But let's go ahead and discuss the merits of how close this fight is because of how "forum" this place is.



Wrong again. I was making an example, you simply didn't see my angle. So in essence everything that you just wrote was basically for nothing, because I actually agree with you. It's really hard to convey ones true feelings in a blog. I was going off of the many arguments launched throughout this forum regarding speedsters. Your best bet is to ask before leaping, or you may be the one sitting in the stool so to speak.


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Wrong again. I was making an example, you simply didn't see my angle. So in essence everything that you just wrote was basically for nothing, because I actually agree with you. It's really hard to convey ones true feelings in a blog. I was going off of the many arguments launched throughout this forum regarding speedsters. Your best bet is to ask before leaping, or you may be the one sitting in the stool so to speak.
You were "pretending" to be retarded because you got butthurt about Flash. That still doesn't change things like this:

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Because comic book Flash would get owned, while forum Flash can only be beaten by a reality warper that starts out with an impenetrable force field. Just joking... Or am I?

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Now all we need is for the Mods to ban his creepy ass from forum battles, and we won't ever have to argue about him again,

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Ok so name one hero that would not be stuck in time while doing battle with him at his best. When I say his best, I mean when he is literally moving so fast that he becomes the very air that you breathe. As in him being everywhere at once. just name one Herald that could contend with that type of speed. Yep I didn't think you could. To top it off he is protected by the Speed Force while he is in motion. So you may be correct, the Flash isn't that powerful, but the Speed Force is.

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Who needs feets... whoops feats, when you have that kind of speed?

My guess to why Flash type characters are so hard to argue is due to their accumulative effects over time. It's always a good argument, and one that is often very difficult to counter.

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Not if he were stuck in time. In essence Galactus would lose before he every realized that he was in a fight. micro seconds would become years for him. The Flash is a character that is very hard to argue against.

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Can you give me examples where Galactus has done this? Let's begin with the Time Gem if you want to. Tell me how he would or has shown more control over time than that gem. Also the Flash isn't really a time manip, he just would get there way before Galactus could do anything about it. Don't just tell me about how Galactus would stop someone billions of time faster than he is, show me, and give me some concrete examples, because up til now, i am in doubt that he would be able to do anything other than wonder what exactly was beating the mess out of him while standing there stupefied. That of course is just the Flash, you will also have to launch a separate argument for Zoom.

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Is Galactus more powerful than the Speed Force alone is what people should ask themselves before jumping on the denial train.



Quite the angle. Asking for feats of Galactus, and talking about how difficult Flash is to argue about on a forum fight, and how hard it is to counter speed. You basically admit he has the "potential" people speak of when you talk of speed and how hard it is to argue against him.
Because talking about how difficult it is to counter Flash's speed is an angle.

"I want Galactus to win, but the Flash is so difficult to argue against, so I'm going to make a bunch of paragraphs about how Galactus can't win"

Let me sympathize with your inability to disprove the legendary Flash, so you must mime others in a hope to either build a case, or fall for the hype.


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You were "pretending" to be retarded because you got butthurt about Flash. That still doesn't change things like this:










Quite the angle. Asking for feats of Galactus, and talking about how difficult Flash is to argue about on a forum fight, and how hard it is to counter speed. You basically admit he has the "potential" people speak of when you talk of speed and how hard it is to argue against him.
Because talking about how difficult it is to counter Flash's speed is an angle.

"I want Galactus to win, but the Flash is so difficult to argue against, so I'm going to make a bunch of paragraphs about how Galactus can't win"

Let me sympathize with your inability to disprove the legendary Flash, so you must mime others in a hope to either build a case, or fall for the hype.


Don't be ridiculous, I've sat back and seen the arguments of the past in support of the Flash, these are things/points that I brought up. However I did not see you bring up anyone else's argument on the subject. one poster went as far as to turn this into a scientific debate on how he Flash would steal speed from his opponent, but again you failed to say anything about this. Wonder why that is? Also let's not pretend like you give a rats ass about the subject, because we both know that you don't.

So my question here to you is why is it that you said nothing about those posts, and came after me and still continue to do so after I told you what I did? My first statement on the subject was that in a comic, the Flash gets owned, while in a forum he's hard to argue. i see that you ignored that, and simply went the ignorant route.

So can you explain why that is?


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Don't be ridiculous, I've sat back and seen the arguments of the past in support of the Flash, these are things/points that I brought up. However I did not see you bring up anyone else's argument on the subject. one poster went as far as to turn this into a scientific debate on how he Flash would steal speed from his opponent, but again you failed to say anything about this. Wonder why that is? Also let's not pretend like you give a rats ass about the subject, because we both know that you don't.

So my question here to you is why is it that you said nothing about those posts, and came after me and still continue to do so after I told you what I did? My first statement on the subject was that in a comic, the Flash gets owned, while in a forum he's hard to argue. i see that you ignored that, and simply went the ignorant route.

So can you explain why that is?
Because you're the only one who isn't a complete lunatic. Board Walker who you're referring to has lost all semblance of sanity in its feeble brain that it's pointless to even try and respond to. The rest are socks, or just as out of control. But yes, let me argue with revalation64 though because he is totally legit.

But see, that's the thing, forum Flash isn't hard to argue and that's my entire point. The mere fact that you agree with that still brings me back to my posts, and if you agree with the whole "Forum Flash" thing, then that lends credence to the idea that perhaps he could actually beat a Galactus or someone similar. If you can now see my issues with your statements.
Forum Flash is as baseless as the made up claims he's based on in reality.

Anyway, Doomsday has already adapted to a "timestop" of sorts, so the speed stealing issue is non existent. Doomsday has already knocked the shit out of Flash, so he could react to him. And Flash is severely lacking in feats (outside one) showing him capable of even damaging Doomsday, so there's another.
Flash has no chance here, potential or otherwise.


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Because you're the only one who isn't a complete lunatic. Board Walker who you're referring to has lost all semblance of sanity in its feeble brain that it's pointless to even try and respond to. The rest are socks, or just as out of control. But yes, let me argue with reflash though because he is totally legit.

But see, that's the thing, forum Flash isn't hard to argue and that's my entire point. The mere fact that you agree with that still brings me back to my posts, and if you agree with the whole "Forum Flash" thing, then that lends credence to the idea that perhaps he could actually beat a Galactus or someone similar. If you can now see my issues with your statements.
Forum Flash is as baseless as the made up claims he's based on in reality.

Anyway, Doomsday has already adapted to a "timestop" of sorts, so the speed stealing issue is non existent. Doomsday has already knocked the shit out of Flash, so he could react to him. And Flash is severely lacking in feats (outside one) showing him capable of even damaging Doomsday, so there's another.
Flash has no chance here, potential or otherwise.


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Because you're the only one who isn't a complete lunatic. Board Walker who you're referring to has lost all semblance of sanity in its feeble brain that it's pointless to even try and respond to. The rest are socks, or just as out of control. But yes, let me argue with revalation64 though because he is totally legit.

But see, that's the thing, forum Flash isn't hard to argue and that's my entire point. The mere fact that you agree with that still brings me back to my posts, and if you agree with the whole "Forum Flash" thing, then that lends credence to the idea that perhaps he could actually beat a Galactus or someone similar. If you can now see my issues with your statements.
Forum Flash is as baseless as the made up claims he's based on in reality.

Anyway, Doomsday has already adapted to a "timestop" of sorts, so the speed stealing issue is non existent. Doomsday has already knocked the shit out of Flash, so he could react to him. And Flash is severely lacking in feats (outside one) showing him capable of even damaging Doomsday, so there's another.
Flash has no chance here, potential or otherwise.


it's not just the Flash brother. It's several other characters on the forum that are argued about beyond their comic book showings. It's gotten to the point that you have to simply nod your head and keep it moving, because if not, you will have them and their posse up your ass, and if your head is just ripe enough, you may find yourself agreeing just to keep from having the a prolonged discussion about the BS that they would prefer to cover up, rather than admit that they're claims are baseless.

For the record, I would break the Flash down which would include his weaknesses and his strengths. And to be honest, in my opinion, he would fall short of being a Herald due to several weaknesses that he has, but then again that would shine the spotlight on many characters that have been lifted up beyond their stations.

Cable.. cough cough, and several others. So many others actually. But then again that's what the respect section is for. However no one ever seems to make one that includes all of those characters weaknesses either so that people can get a firm grasp at what it is that they are arguing. that as basically my rant from the get go.

Let me make myself clear. If the Flash was taken by surprise he could be gutted by Frank Castle, however if Thor was surprised, the knife would likely break on impact with his skin. Just saying that last part to clarify things. Characters classified as Herald's/top tiers should be placed under stricter scrutiny than they are. I'm going to stop right there, because I'd prefer not to lift the carpet on this one.


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it's not just the Flash brother. It's several other character on the forum that are argued about beyond their comic book showings. It's gotten to the point that you have to simply nod your head and keep it moving, because if not, you will have them and their posse up your ass, and in your head is just ripe enough, you may find yourself agreeing just to keep from having the a prolonged discussion about the BS that they would prefer to cover up, rather than admit that they're claims are baseless.

For the record, I would break the Flash down which would include his weaknesses and his strengths. And to be honest, in my opinion, he would fall short of being a Herald due to several weaknesses that he has, but then again that would shine the spotlight on many characters that have been lifted up beyond their stations.

Cable.. cough cough, and several others. So many others actually. But then again that's what the respect section is for. However no one ever seems to make one that includes all of those characters weaknesses either so that people can get a firm grasp at what it is that they are arguing. that as basically my rant from the get go.

Let me make myself clear. If the Flash was taken by surprise he could be gutted by Frank Castle, however if Thor was surprised, the knife would likely break on impact with his skin. Just saying that last part to clarify things. Characters classified as Herald's/top tiers should be placed under stricter scrutiny than they are. I'm going to stop right there, because I'd prefer not to lift the carpet on this one.
Very well.

To add, pretty much the only way to form an accurate opinion is to look at the actual proof with full context, as opposed to looking at someone else's opinion. You might be wrong, but at least you have everything available. Otherwise you get what Dr Strange used to be.


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He can bfr people to the speed force without even touching them. Would that work on Doomsday or does that fall into the things he has adapted to category?

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Very well.

To add, pretty much the only way to form an accurate opinion is to look at the actual proof with full context, as opposed to looking at someone else's opinion. You might be wrong, but at least you have everything available. Otherwise you get what Dr Strange used to be.


Dr. Strange is another one. What happens if you cut his fingers off and seal up his mouth, and don't tell me that you get Mike Tyson, because that's too obvious. But seriously though, should he be classified and placed at such a high level?

Back to the thread, I saw what DD did to the Flash and the rest of his crew, and that was a weaker version. I don't see DD doing that well against the Silver Surfer or Morg though for example. However the argument of the speed steal will come up, and what in the world can you say about that when it happened in a comic or two? He has the ability even though he doesn't use it due to PIS? CIS?


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He can bfr people to the speed force without even touching them. Would that work on Doomsday or does that fall into the things he has adapted to category?
If he tries to bfr like what happened with Superboy, he'd get his head knocked off before it happened.

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Back to the thread, I saw what DD did to the Flash and the rest of his crew, and that was a weaker version. I don't see DD doing that well against the Silver Surfer or Morg though for example. However the argument of the speed steal will come up, and what in the world can you say about that when it happened in a comic or two? He has the ability even though he doesn't use it due to PIS? CIS?
Well, assuming he uses it, Doomsday adapted past Waverider's timestop. Which should indicate that a speed steal would only stop Doomsday shortly. At that stage Flash couldn't really do much more, and then would just get stomped once DD came back.


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Yes using retarded arguments as your own basis is the way to go.

You mean the guys who have been beaten by nearly everyone in DC? They are difficult to argue against? Or is it all the completely made up feats and instances that are difficult to argue against? Flash has potential, good for him. So does every other character in comics. If we ground every other character around what's happened in comics, naturally Flash should be exempt. Right?

Snide remark? How so? It's not very snide to say that your arguments involving Flash today have amounted to a giant piece of stool. And if you're actually serious about anything that you said in the Galactus thread then your opinions regarding Flash are not to be taken with a grain of salt in any thread.

And even worse is that Doomsday made Flash look like a street leveler in comics. But let's go ahead and discuss the merits of how close this fight is because of how "forum" this place is.
no one makes things up. We just know the difference between PIS and non PIS. don't you know the rules?

Anyway flash wins 10/10. DD would be a statue in a forum fight ( faster, steal speed, imp, etc)


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I don't think you know what a "Forum Fight" is... Which is sad because you have been here far longer than me or a lot of posters.


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Flash siphons the kinetic energy from a single cork around him, he drops it to absolute zero. This creates a chain reaction in which every cork in contact with that cork then drops to absolute zero, reality attempts to restore homeostasis by splitting the amount of energy in all corks near absolute zero. However nothing can restore absolute zero thus all corks drop to absolute zero, in less than a fraction of a picto second all reality across omniversal existence ceases to be.

Flash is last one standing, the fight ends before opponent even knows what happened.


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You were "pretending" to be retarded because you got butthurt about Flash. That still doesn't change things like this:










Quite the angle. Asking for feats of Galactus, and talking about how difficult Flash is to argue about on a forum fight, and how hard it is to counter speed. You basically admit he has the "potential" people speak of when you talk of speed and how hard it is to argue against him.
Because talking about how difficult it is to counter Flash's speed is an angle.

"I want Galactus to win, but the Flash is so difficult to argue against, so I'm going to make a bunch of paragraphs about how Galactus can't win"

Let me sympathize with your inability to disprove the legendary Flash, so you must mime others in a hope to either build a case, or fall for the hype.

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Flash siphons the kinetic energy from a single cork around him, he drops it to absolute zero. This creates a chain reaction in which every cork in contact with that cork then drops to absolute zero, reality attempts to restore homeostasis by splitting the amount of energy in all corks near absolute zero. However nothing can restore absolute zero thus all corks drop to absolute zero, in less than a fraction of a picto second all reality across omniversal existence ceases to be.

Flash is last one standing, the fight ends before opponent even knows what happened.

Do you mean quark because if you do I am certain the speed force has boundary conditions that with a significantly high percentage do not violate major theories of physics in more than a temporary manner that is definitely localized to a bare minimum lest it insult the people who read the material that actually understand the physics and compromise the legitimacy of the universe in which the character operates. Suspension of disbelief will be undone. Shame on you roll eyes (sarcastic)

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