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quanchi112
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And surfer got his powers stolen by weaklings. Point?

He was tricked and not defeated in combat. Superman was beaten in combat. Context, kiddo.

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Deadly serious.

LOL. Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

May 29th, 2014 02:21 AM

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It all matters. Manhole covers hurt him for crying out loud. The supercomputer had him beat if he didn't use the acid plot device.

Wrong! Just because he was weaken doesn't mean he was beat.

Yes, the supercomputer that was able to figure out his weakness in a matter of secs and blast him with kryptonite. The superman in Returns was a continuation of the Reeve's superman and that superman lifted a continent filled with kryptonite out into space while weakened.

So your example is irrelevant and even more so since this is a superman gone bad that wouldn't give the computer or anyone a chance to get the better of him.

May 29th, 2014 02:26 AM

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I saw Watchmen once. Now Manhattan is powerful but maybe I need a refresher what exactly would he do to superman to kill him or stop him. Unless he develop Kryptonite, the only thing shown in the movies to do any damage to Superman. I do not know if he could take Reeve’s Superman.

Reeve’s Superman,
• Moves so fast that he can:
o Cannot be seen (Superman II)
o Can turn a plant forward and backwards while turning back time (Superman I)
o Take away a person’s memory with a kiss (Superman II)
To name a few. Then we have powers that were displayed in Superman IV. This version of Superman powers seemed limitless.

May 29th, 2014 02:36 AM

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I saw Watchmen once. Now Manhattan is powerful but maybe I need a refresher what exactly would he do to superman to kill him or stop him. Unless he develop Kryptonite, the only thing shown in the movies to do any damage to Superman. I do not know if he could take Reeve’s Superman.

Reeve’s Superman,
• Moves so fast that he can:
o Cannot be seen (Superman II)
o Can turn a plant forward and backwards while turning back time (Superman I)
o Take away a person’s memory with a kiss (Superman II)
To name a few. Then we have powers that were displayed in Superman IV. This version of Superman powers seemed limitless.

He simply makes Superman disappear by removing his intrinsic field and disintegrating him.

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Wrong! Just because he was weaken doesn't mean he was beat.

Yes, the supercomputer that was able to figure out his weakness in a matter of secs and blast him with kryptonite. The superman in Returns was a continuation of the Reeve's superman and that superman lifted a continent filled with kryptonite out into space while weakened.

So your example is irrelevant and even more so since this is a superman gone bad that wouldn't give the computer or anyone a chance to get the better of him.

He was defeated and pryorhad to help him as did the acid had to save him. Facts, sport.

He was amped by the sun.

Superman was better at the time of the conflict.

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Reeves Supes did however move fast enough to spin the entire planet's rotation backwards and forwards again (which could say something about his physical power since he did move the planet without touching it)

Really? IIRC, he just went FTL causing him to go back in time (and thus the planet seemed to spin backward for him).

Manhattan wins.

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He simply makes Superman disappear by removing his intrinsic field and disintegrating him.

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And surfer got his powers stolen by weaklings. Point?

Plot device tachyon tech.

Surfer destroyed Galactus, who is thousands of times more powerful than any other opponent here. Surfer wins.

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He simply makes Superman disappear by removing his intrinsic field and disintegrating him.

That is one way however I would have to say the Reeve's Superman intrinsic field is quite extraordinary.

Anyone that can turn back time simply through his speed I doubt his intrinsic field could be removed so easily if at all.

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Really? IIRC, he just went FTL causing him to go back in time (and thus the planet seemed to spin backward for him).

Really, where did you get this from? The director clearly shows him spinning the planet backwards and then forward. What reason was there for him to show this if he was moving the planet?

May 29th, 2014 12:44 PM

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Really, where did you get this from? The director clearly shows him spinning the planet backwards and then forward. What reason was there for him to show this if he was moving the planet?

Because the director didn't understand physics? Superman going FTL to travel back in time makes more pseudo-science sense then him somehow spinning the planet backwards which causes time to some how rewind.

May 29th, 2014 12:50 PM

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He was defeated and pryorhad to help him as did the acid had to save him. Facts, sport.

He was amped by the sun.

Superman was better at the time of the conflict.

Ok, if that is how you see it. I definitely disagree. The movie I saw he was weaken not defeated. Pryor decided to help did not have to.

Either way the computer was using Kryptonite, you know the universal thing shown in comics, movies, cartoons, that can hurt and kill superman.

You make it seem as if the computer just put him down using non-kryptonian substance.

May 29th, 2014 12:53 PM

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Because the director didn't understand physics? Superman going FTL to travel back in time makes more pseudo-science sense then him somehow spinning the planet backwards which causes time to some how rewind.

I disagree. This is your speculation on the matter. The director wanted us to show the audience that time was going backwards thus the movement of the planet backwards.

I am going to see if I can find something on the net showing what director wanted to display. There are all kinds of quotes on the net stating that the planet was moved.

May 29th, 2014 12:59 PM

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I am still looking for the director perspective. Here is a link that discusses your and mine point of views with a video of the event:
http://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...the-first-movie

What is interesting is that once Superman reaches max speed the earths stops and starting rotating backwards. Same thing when he goes forward. Watch the video.

May 29th, 2014 01:06 PM

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I am still looking for the director perspective. Here is a link that discusses your and mine point of views with a video of the event:
http://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...the-first-movie

What is interesting is that once Superman reaches max speed the earths stops and starting rotating backwards. Same thing when he goes forward. Watch the video.

Well, yeah... If you were going backwards in time the Earth would appear to turn backwards. Does it make any sense that he need to go forward again to return time back to normal? No. But it's a a lesser hole than spinning the Earth backward=reverse time.

May 29th, 2014 01:13 PM

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Well, yeah... If you were going backwards in time the Earth would appear to turn backwards. Does it make any sense that he need to go forward again to return time back to normal? No. But it's a a lesser hole than spinning the Earth backward=reverse time.

You are trying to use logical reasoning for a movie and I trying to show you what the director was displaying and meant to display.

We are going to have to disagree on this one. If I can find some quotes from the director on this matter I will post them.

May 29th, 2014 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Kotor3
Ok, if that is how you see it. I definitely disagree. The movie I saw he was weaken not defeated. Pryor decided to help did not have to.

Either way the computer was using Kryptonite, you know the universal thing shown in comics, movies, cartoons, that can hurt and kill superman.

You make it seem as if the computer just put him down using non-kryptonian substance.

He decided to help but Superman couldn't resist and was at its mercy. That's called getting your ass kicked and needing a reprieve by outside help.

Not when it covered him and overwhelmed him.

At the end it was.

Superman was shit in that encounter.

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