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Would we include future Magneto from DOFP as an X-Men?


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Ok. Well the X-Men definitely can pull off a win but I was hearing stomping on the Hulk.


If you allow for Phoenix Jean, it is a stomp. There is nothing Hulk can do to counter her. She could spend the whole day flinging him around like a rag doll, and then use TK to rip his head off once she is bored.


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If you allow for Phoenix Jean, it is a stomp. There is nothing Hulk can do to counter her. She could spend the whole day flinging him around like a rag doll, and then use TK to rip his head off once she is bored.
The Hulk is fairly durable so I don't think it would be something she could easily


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Movie Hulk has zero TP resistance and the X-men has TP users, it's not hard to figure out who wins.


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If you did, you'd know that that Hulk vs Godzilla is like you in thick boots vs a rabies infested maltese poodle biting at your ankles.

I will wait to see before I comment. So I will take your word for it for now.

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Hulk doesn't have PIS and an adamantium skeleton going for him, so Phoenix Jean could probably solo.

When did the Hulk skin become so weak? You do realize that this is the same Hulk from the 2008 movie The Incredible Hulk. The Hulk from the Avengers and the 2008 movie are the same Hulk. I do not recall the Hulk bleeding or being scratch from any of the fire power that the army threw at him.

As I recall it was Wolverine’s healing abilities that saved him. The Hulk healing abilities are just as good if not better. 2008 movie he fell down from a plane and just heal himself as he turned to the Hulk. The same Hulk who when Banner (in Avengers) shot himself in the head (as stated by Banner) spit the bullet out upon turning to the Hulk.

In other words “Hulk Smash”.

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Hulk doesn't have the versatility to be able to take them all out. He won't even be able to touch the Storm siblings, if both use their brains and powers properly. And the team know how to work together, and have the smartest man on earth as their leader, so should be able to come up with a plan to take down Hulk.

Hulk can definitely reach storm with his jumping abilities. She would definitely have to move around. But I do agree that if they approach the fight intelligently and work together they can KO the Hulk or get him to calm down.

They definitely are not going to win if they try to take him on directly.

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Like I said, Hulk takes Kong solidly and can probably dish out enough damage to beat a single future sentinel, but the rest beat him.

The future Sentinels would do nothing but make the Hulk angry which it turn would increase his strength since they would constantly attack him. The trick to beating the Hulk as we all know is to calm him down.

Unless you are Thor or Superman Level you are not beating the Hulk with brute attacks.

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Movie Hulk has zero TP resistance and the X-men has TP users, it's not hard to figure out who wins.


Why you have seen someone control the Hulk through TP?

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If you allow for Phoenix Jean, it is a stomp. There is nothing Hulk can do to counter her. She could spend the whole day flinging him around like a rag doll, and then use TK to rip his head off once she is bored.


Totally disagree. She has shown nothing that shows she would be able to just rip the Hulks head off. Her attacks would do nothing but piss the Hulk off which just adds to his power.

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Why you have seen someone control the Hulk through TP?


He is controlled by his emotions and those people around him, someone who can control his conscious and dictate what he sees's and how he feels is an easy task.

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Totally disagree. She has shown nothing that shows she would be able to just rip the Hulks head off. Her attacks would do nothing but piss the Hulk off which just adds to his power.


Avengers Hulk does not have the madder he gets the stronger he gets feature. He was subdued by Chirari laser fire.

Phoenix Force>Chitari Lasers>Hulk

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Why you have seen someone control the Hulk through TP?


Loki.

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Re: Hulk run the Gauntlet

-Hulk takes out Kong

-Thing could likely stalemate with Hulk for a while, enough for Sue to lock him in a force-field; then Torch can super-nova.

-Hulk could likely take out Godzilla in time, since Godzilla would likely never hit something that small and mobile. Might be a stalemate.

-Xavier calms Hulk and reverts him back to Banner; they all go out for ice-cream afterward.

-An exploding X-jet was able to destroy multiple Sentinels, I see no reason why Hulk couldn't smash one to pieces, especially considering they're designed to absorb/counter genetic mutant powers, which Hulk isn't.

-We already saw the Thor fight.


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He is controlled by his emotions and those people around him, someone who can control his conscious and dictate what he sees's and how he feels is an easy task.


You mean a particular emotion, 'Anger'. Love is the only other one I recall seeing which can calm him down.

So, if Xavier can control his mind then the fight is over if not then the X-Men are in trouble. Since the Hulk's mind is such a small fragment of what Banner's is, I have no idea if TP would work on him.

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Avengers Hulk does not have the madder he gets the stronger he gets feature. He was subdued by Chirari laser fire.

Phoenix Force>Chitari Lasers>Hulk


Subdued: to conquer and bring into subjection.

I do not recall this. When did this occur? Subdued is a strong word. Delaying an individual is not subduing. Please refresh my memory.

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Loki.


What scene in Avengers did this occur in? I do not remember.

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What scene in Avengers did this occur in? I do not remember.


The scene where Loki was amping the entire teams anger and caused Banner to lose control and attack his teammates on the helicarrier.

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When did the Hulk skin become so weak? You do realize that this is the same Hulk from the 2008 movie The Incredible Hulk. The Hulk from the Avengers and the 2008 movie are the same Hulk. I do not recall the Hulk bleeding or being scratch from any of the fire power that the army threw at him.

As I recall it was Wolverine’s healing abilities that saved him. The Hulk healing abilities are just as good if not better. 2008 movie he fell down from a plane and just heal himself as he turned to the Hulk. The same Hulk who when Banner (in Avengers) shot himself in the head (as stated by Banner) spit the bullet out upon turning to the Hulk.


It was PIS, his adamantium skeleton preventing him from being totally ripped apart in one go, and Jean literally asking him to kill her that allowed him to survive. She was disintegrating shit on a molecular level over a massive area, while TK lifting a massive amount of water, at the end of X3. So this has nothing to do with Hulk being weak. Phoenix is just extremely powerful.

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Totally disagree. She has shown nothing that shows she would be able to just rip the Hulks head off. Her attacks would do nothing but piss the Hulk off which just adds to his power.


See above about disintegrating a massive area. And again, let's say she can't simply rip his head (which I still believe she can), what on earth is he going to do while being held in the air via her level of TK?

Let me put it to you in another way. THIS is the match you made:

Hulk

vs

Xavier
Magneto
Storm
Phoenix
Cyclops
Wolverine
Havok
Colossus
Rogue
Shadowcat
Iceman
Beast
Bishop
Sunspot
Blink
Banshee
Mystique

I added just people who have been X-men. Not all mutants shown. Please let me know if I forgot someone. I compiled this now off the top of my head.
(I am not even including Quicksilver and Nightcrawler, because they weren't technically X-men in their respective appearances.)

And you really think the Hulk is pulling off a win here? You didn't give Hulk a shot of beating Sidious in another thread, but you think he can take this entire team?

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Hulk can definitely reach storm with his jumping abilities. She would definitely have to move around. But I do agree that if they approach the fight intelligently and work together they can KO the Hulk or get him to calm down.

They definitely are not going to win if they try to take him on directly.


It is questionable whether Hulk could tag Johnny, given how fast he can fly. And he can't hit what he can't see, so he isn't getting to Susan. We still also have no proof that he can even seriously harm Mr Fantastic or The Thing.

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The future Sentinels would do nothing but make the Hulk angry which it turn would increase his strength since they would constantly attack him. The trick to beating the Hulk as we all know is to calm him down.


You have this idea that Hulk is totally impervious to harm. But we have seen him injured by Abomination in The Incredible Hulk, and by the Chitauri in Avengers. I see him being able to take out a single sentinel without too much trouble. Multiple sentinels attacking him at once, like say the Chitauri did with their blasters, and he is going to be in trouble. That being said, it depends how they come at him. If he goes through them one by one, he can win.

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-Xavier calms Hulk and reverts him back to Banner; they all go out for ice-cream afterward.


If Tony tags along it will be shawarma. laughing


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Hulk clears.


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Hulk clears.


Mail me some of whatever you've been smoking. Sounds like quite a trip from reality.


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Mail me some of whatever you've been smoking. Sounds like quite a trip from reality.
I don't do drugs. That is the way of the weak who avoid perils and problems like Robbie.


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The scene where Loki was amping the entire teams anger and caused Banner to lose control and attack his teammates on the helicarrier.


I will review. I do not recall the scene in the way you do. I will re-watch the scene again.

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It was PIS, his adamantium skeleton preventing him from being totally ripped apart in one go, and Jean literally asking him to kill her that allowed him to survive. She was disintegrating shit on a molecular level over a massive area, while TK lifting a massive amount of water, at the end of X3. So this has nothing to do with Hulk being weak. Phoenix is just extremely powerful.

Well, it seems to be me that you are making the Hulk weak. What in the movies makes you feel that the Hulk’s skin can be disintegrated? As for the TK part, her strength is not infinite unlike the Hulk’s that constantly grows as he becomes more angry. She will not be able to hold the TK indefinitely and it is not like it is not going to take effort to lift the Hulk.

Your scenario works if the Hulk skin can be disintegrated and frankly I see no proof especially with his healing abilities that his skin can be unless the force is powerful enough. The Phoneix I do not see powerful enough to do so.

I do not think me and you are going to agree on this one concerning the Phoneix. However, X-Men I agree can pull off a win with the right strategy.

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See above about disintegrating a massive area. And again, let's say she can't simply rip his head (which I still believe she can), what on earth is he going to do while being held in the air via her level of TK?

Let me put it to you in another way. THIS is the match you made:

Hulk

vs

Xavier
Magneto
Storm
Phoenix
Cyclops
Wolverine
Havok
Colossus
Rogue
Shadowcat
Iceman
Beast
Bishop
Sunspot
Blink
Banshee
Mystique

I added just people who have been X-men. Not all mutants shown. Please let me know if I forgot someone. I compiled this now off the top of my head.
(I am not even including Quicksilver and Nightcrawler, because they weren't technically X-men in their respective appearances.)

And you really think the Hulk is pulling off a win here? You didn't give Hulk a shot of beating Sidious in another thread, but you think he can take this entire team?

See comments above. Hulk was fighting flying objects in Avengers. Most of the people on that list I would say about 90% are irrelevant to the Hulk.

As for Sidious I said that Thor was the only definite win. I never said the Hulk stood no chance. In another thread I did accept that if enough force could not be applied to choke the Hulk then it would be useless.

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It is questionable whether Hulk could tag Johnny, given how fast he can fly. And he can't hit what he can't see, so he isn't getting to Susan. We still also have no proof that he can even seriously harm Mr Fantastic or The Thing.

Johnny hopefully would not come into harms reach. But what can Johnny due to the Hulk beside piss him off? When has the Thing ever been on Hulk’s level when it comes to brute strength?

Look, I can accept FF and X-Men winning. But comments like the Hulk not being able to hurt the Think, I mean that explains why you feel he would lose. We view him differently from the movies.

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You have this idea that Hulk is totally impervious to harm. But we have seen him injured by Abomination in The Incredible Hulk, and by the Chitauri in Avengers. I see him being able to take out a single sentinel without too much trouble. Multiple sentinels attacking him at once, like say the Chitauri did with their blasters, and he is going to be in trouble. That being said, it depends how they come at him. If he goes through them one by one, he can win.

No I do not. I do have the idea that the Hulk becomes stronger as he gets more angry. Abomination was stronger than the Hulk but lost to him. Why? Because when the Hulk saw his girl Betty in trouble he got angry and got stronger and was able to subdue Abomination.
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