Even if he freezes him head to toe, him breaking out of several feet of concrete with a hard shrug leads me to believe he could do a good flex and break the ice.
Well, what I drew from the film was that he needs to be allowed some level of motion to use his momentum power. Like you said, he was able to give a shrug and bust out of the concrete, and that is because he was only partly submerged in the floor.
But then take the transport sequence where Mags busted him out. He had restraints preventing any part of his body from moving at all, and therefore needed Magneto to break them open to free him.
Which is why I still think encasing his entire body in metal or very thick ice could stop him, but this will only work if he is completely motionless while it occurs. And that is extremely unlikely.
It does make me wonder how the hell they captured him in the first place. I somehow doubt that he would have submitted passively.
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Thats if he is not moving at all. This fight he will be moving. Him being imprisioned is unknown factors but as I mentioned earlier the cute was present on the guards. He prolly surrendered due to fear of getting neutralized.
That's a speculation but I get your point. Bobby simply has to ice the floor causing Juggs to slip and fall. Once down he could immobilize him with ice.
I don't seem to recall the Juggernaut damaging the ground every time he took a step, I mean sure he is strong enough to break the ice if he stomps on the ground with every step, but that would massively slow him down.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
He literally shook the ground as he walked and him jumping on an AC crumpled it like it was nothing. He could step hard enough while running to crush ice beneath him.
Iceman can ice over whatever Juggs is walking on and make him slide every which way. Not exactly a win for Iceman, but he'd make a fool out of Juggernaut and that gets him extra points.
I still don't recall him doing that when he was running after Kitty through the building.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
When has anyone ever been rendered totally immobile by slipping on ice of all things? Last time I went ice skating and slipped at high speeds, the thing that stopped me was the friggin' wall I crashed into. Juggs would smash right through it. Juggernaut has to be completely immobile to be encased. Any body movement whatsoever creates momentum. This is shown when he busts out of the concrete with a mere shrug from his upper body. So even if he slips, he'd have to remain dead still while Iceman ices him for your strategy to work.
I have been thinking though... none of his opponents can stop his momentum, but what if they used his own momentum to BFR him, like Hulk did when they fought during the World War Hulk comic arc? For example, say Iceman does ice the floor and Cain slips and crashes through the arena and out of it, would that count as a win via BFR for Iceman?
As for the cure being the reason he got caught, I have a hard time seeing that. Based on his durability, those cure needles wouldn't have even penetrated his skin.
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I'm not suggesting that him slipping would leave him immobile. But once down it allows Iceman to freeze his entire body and that's what would render him unable to move.He froze the sentinel in DofP pretty damn quickly and that thing was much bigger than Cain. he should be able to coat Juggernaut before Juggs has the opportunity to do anything about it.
As for him slipping and just sliding uncontrollably forever; well that wouldn't happen. I was thinking he would just slam into the ground but if he did slide then the would slow down and stop eventually. If you believe his body just goes in any direction without him putting any effort into is then by that logic if he ever falls down, the momentum should take him straight through the ground and out the other side of the planet. There are limits to his momentum thing.
He seemed uber strong without the momentum. Tossing Wolverine around like a rag doll though floors of houses like it was nothing, wo happens to weigh alot. There is more to his skill set then just momentum. He is extremely huge, heavy, pretty agile in H2H when fighting as well as durable, the claws didn't do anything to him.
encasing him with ice is nothing if he can break out of cement. he didn't have any momentum when he did that. his arms were under. legs under. only thing he had above it was his head and neck. most of his shoulders were under as well. he has super strength even without the momentum boost. anyway he stops at mags.
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