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Originally posted by Silent Master
LOL at your claim that bullets > Chitauri energy blast.


No, I'm asking you why then was Captain America hurt more by bullets than by the Chitauri gun fire?


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Also, a knife was able to cut Cap without too much difficulty. Oliver's arrows could barely penetrate the skin of the mirakuru-soldiers.
Sara's dad stabbed one in the head... with his hand. erm


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Considering how much damage a single chitauri blast does compared to a bullet...


Are you sure you're not mistaking the rifles the Chitauri were carrying to the damage their gliders were doing?


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Originally posted by FrothByte
Also, a knife was able to cut Cap without too much difficulty. Oliver's arrows could barely penetrate the skin of the mirakuru-soldiers.



So now your argument is that both bullets and arrows > Chitauri energy blast.


LOL!!!!


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
No, I'm asking you why then was Captain America hurt more by bullets than by the Chitauri gun fire?
omg.


why do paper cuts hurt worse than larger gaping wounds?... because the damage is concentrated in a smaller area.


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Sara's dad stabbed one in the head... with his hand. erm


Which episode was this? Was this the fight in the precint? I'll have to re-watch the scene to be sure... because for some reason people here keep misrepresenting the feats from Arrow (like some people claiming Oliver matched Slade while Slade had the mirakuru).


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Originally posted by Silent Master
So now your argument is that both bullets and arrows > Chitauri energy blast.


LOL!!!!


Are you saying Captain is bullet proof and knife-proof because he survived the chitauri blast?

Why don't you want to answer the question.

My original stance was, Slade was never hit by chitauri gun fire which is why you can't use that as proof and simply say Cap is more durable than Slade. I'm using normal gun fire because they both had similar experience with it. Why do you keep dodging this fact?


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Originally posted by FrothByte
Which episode was this?
the finale. He straight up walks up to one of Slade's men and stabs him in the head with an arrow.


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We have seen how much damage the Chitauri energy blasts were doing, so you claiming that Slade has better durability feats means that you're claiming that bullets > Chitauri energy blasts.

So like I said, LOL!!!!!


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
We have seen how much damage the Chitauri energy blasts were doing, so you claiming that Slade has better durability feats means that you're claiming that bullets > Chitauri energy blasts.

So like I said, LOL!!!!!


When it comes to hurting Cap, then yes, bullets > chitauri fire, as this is proven by on screen feats. I'm not interesting in which one can destroy more concrete or furniture, just which one can hurt Cap more. Care to argue that point?


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To be fair to Frothbye, why is everyone ignoring his question on whether or not bullets could noticeably harm Cap or not?

I mean, I've never seen Arrow, but from what I can see in this thread everyone is just dodging an uncomfortable question; you all refuse to commit to an answer.

Do bullets affect Cap more than they do Slade? I can't recall Cap being shot so I don't know.


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omg.


why do paper cuts hurt worse than larger gaping wounds?... because the damage is concentrated in a smaller area.


btw, i also don't recall Cap being shot with bullets.


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Originally posted by NemeBro
To be fair to Frothbye, why is everyone ignoring his question on whether or not bullets could noticeably harm Cap or not?

I mean, I've never seen Arrow, but from what I can see in this thread everyone is just dodging an uncomfortable question; you all refuse to commit to an answer.

Do bullets affect Cap more than they do Slade? I can't recall Cap being shot so I don't know.


Because the Chitauri energy blasts have been shown to do far more damage than bullets, making withstanding them the better durability feet. Not to mention Cap has taken hits from the Red Skull, Winter Soldier and Loki which also outclass anything Slade has taken.

Frothbyte is pulling a quan, he is ignoring the multiple feats of Cap that are clearly superior while harping on one feat for Slade.
At best the Slade feat grants him better piercing durability...but this is a HTH fight with no weapons so that type of advantage isn't likely to matter.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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btw, i also don't recall Cap being shot with bullets.


Bucky shot him near the end of their fight. Shot him first in the leg which got him limping, then again in his side which dropped him. He was still able to move around after that but he was clearly struggling.

Also, I don't know what kind of huge gaping wounds you've had but the ones I've had were certainly a lot more painful than paper cuts.


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Yeah that isn't how physics works.

If you can genuinely withstand an attack that would vaporize the human body then the average bullet isn't going to so much as blemish your skin.

Also, let's not pretend that chitauri blaster rounds are huge bullets where the energy is dispersed over a large area. The actual bolt is only about an inch in diameter. Which means that despite the small contact area, it could still vaporize a human body. Wow man. Dude wow.


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Originally posted by Silent Master
Because the Chitauri energy blasts have been shown to do far more damage than bullets, making withstanding them the better durability feet. Not to mention Cap has taken hits from the Red Skull, Winter Soldier and Loki which also outclass anything Slade has taken.

Frothbyte is pulling a quan, he is ignoring the multiple feats of Cap that are clearly superior while harping on one feat for Slade.
At best the Slade feat grants him better piercing durability...but this is a HTH fight with no weapons so that type of advantage isn't likely to matter.
"Piercing durability" is a bullshit term used to justify bullshit showings where dumb writers have Wonder Woman capable of brawling with Superman while having to avoid bullets.


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Originally posted by FrothByte
Bucky shot him near the end of their fight. Shot him first in the leg which got him limping, then again in his side which dropped him. He was still able to move around after that but he was clearly struggling.

Also, I don't know what kind of huge gaping wounds you've had but the ones I've had were certainly a lot more painful than paper cuts.
I've been shot and I've had paper cuts.

i didn't even know i had been shot when it happened. The paper cuts hurt far more. I've also had a piece of glass embedded in my eyebrow and i didn't even know it was there until the blood started dripping... paper cuts hurt worse. I've also had the skin between my index and middle finger completely ripped open and didn't know until i looked down... again, the paper cuts hurt more.


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Because the Chitauri energy blasts have been shown to do far more damage than bullets, making withstanding them the better durability feet. Not to mention Cap has taken hits from the Red Skull, Winter Soldier and Loki which also outclass anything Slade has taken.

Frothbyte is pulling a quan, he is ignoring the multiple feats of Cap that are clearly superior while harping on one feat for Slade.
At best the Slade feat grants him better piercing durability...but this is a HTH fight with no weapons so that type of advantage isn't likely to matter.


You're comparing an energy based weapon with piercing weapons. Obviously normal bullets won't make a car explode the same way as energy weapons will. Still doesn't change the fact that bullets hurt Cap but not Slade.

What you fail to realize and keep trying to dodge, is that you can't say that Cap is more durable than Slade by simply stating that Cap survived the chitauri blast because Slade has never been blasted by a chitauri rifle and we have no idea how he would react to it.

I'm doing a proper debate here by using a common denominator between the two of them. I'm using gunfire and bullets and piercing weapons to gauge their durability with respect to each other because these are things both of them have encountered.

Saying Cap is more durable because he survived a chitauri blast (which hurt him quite a bit by the way) is like me claiming I'm stronger than you because I can carry a heavy chair without giving you the chance to try and carry it as well.


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Also, there are other durability feats for SLade and the mirakuru- soldiers, I just don't have the time to research all of them but I'll do it when I get the time.

Among those I remember, they regularly get hit by cars and even driven over (IIRC) and they still get up. A falling steel light tower hit Roy and he just pushed it over. I'll list some more when I get the chance to do my research.


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"Piercing durability" is a bullshit term used to justify bullshit showings where dumb writers have Wonder Woman capable of brawling with Superman while having to avoid bullets.
i disagree.

blunt force and slashing/cutting are very different.


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