Man, who cares how much Bourne's training cost? All that matters are feats and by feats Boyka is a noticeably more skilled H2H combatant. His fight against Dolor with his screwed up leg puts him above Bourne no matter how many million Uncle Sam payed to train Bourne. In fact both Dolor and Boyka were faster and more skilled fighters than Bourne.
Even IRL whenever you put a high-level assassin/soldier vs. someone like say Brock Lesnar or Alisair Overeem in a pure H2H fight the MMA guys win every time.
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LOL Bourne would never have gotten a leg injury. He would have straight up snapped dude's limbs in a second. This is a guy who can run into a fight immediately after running across rooftops and crashing through a window and immediately beats down armed cops and walks away from car crashes after sustaining a bullet wound.
Bourne is a super weapon. Boyka is a prison fighter. Boyka's feats of taking on prison fighters is nothing compared to Bourne taking on other super soldiers and armed government agents and killing them easily.
Feats of Boyka being faster? Bourne disarms people before they can even fire and renders them unconscious in seconds. That's a feat, not Boyka looking faster to you.
Wow. So much hype and so little in the way of actual feats. Super weapon this, trillion dollar training that. None of that means shit. Not when on screen Boyka is objectively a more skilled on-screen fighter, he is objectively faster, objectively more durable, and has objectively better damage soak.
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LOL at you touting Boyka. Bourne has better feats on every level. Bourne beats down armed opponents immediately after getting shot and T-boning a car into a tunnel support. That's a way better durability feat than a leg injury from a prison fighter that Bourne would have never sustained. The $30 million worth of training is clearly shown on screen. Don't know why you're fellating Adkins like this when Bourne was clearly shown to be the world's deadliest killing machine in every form of combat. Watch the fight with Castel. Boyka will get his limbs snapped in a minute.
How about you show some of these feats then? Because we've seen what Dolor can do, and he's far above the nameless goons Bourne has faced. Lol at Bourne not getting his chicken legs snapped by Chambers. Boyka shattered another man's leg with his own broken knee, Bourne's got nothing on that. The very fact that Boyka could continue fighting and perform spinning kicks and shit with a broken knee puts him above Bourne in damage soak. I'm not arguing the cost of Bourne's training, I'm saying it doesn't matter when Boyka has superior feats. Show me one instance of Bourne fighting as fast, as agile and as skilled as Boyka has.
When has this happened and more importantly, were they fighting to the death/no rules? Cos if not, that's gimping the assassin of his training/skillset.
Like putting a boxer and kickboxer together, but not allowing the kickboxer to use his legs.
More than once. There was a Navy SEAL guy who tried his hand in MMA tournaments recently and was super mediocre. I don't know why you're so surprised, soldiers and operatives train H2H as well as a whole bunch of other shit, fighters train for H2H and nothing else. They're just more specialized. Give them weapons and Bourne rapes, but in pure H2H Boyka will dominate him.
Oh, a SEAL, sure, especially if he's regulated to MMA rules where he can't attack the eyes, throat, groin or use small-joint manipulation. I've no doubt a well trained MMA guy would school his ass 10 out of 10 times.
Bourne isn't just some SEAL though, he's literally a super-assassin with super-human durability and there's no MMA rules here holding him back from crushing Boyka's throat or ripping his balls off; then shoving those balls up Boyka's ass, so the next time Boyka shits, he'll be shitting on his own balls.
Rob is right. A SEAL in a no holds barred fight would be scary. But a SEAL gets trained to kill his opponent because if you r enemy is close enough to fight hand to hand then he made it past your bullets or snuck up on you.
Bourne's a super-assassin trained to neutralize/kill opponents as quickly as possible, even with his bare hands and Boyka is the world's (in his world) greatest pit fighter. Though Boyka got his ass kicked by some champion boxer with a few weeks (months?) training in MMA.
By gouging out his eyes and breaking his neck, would be an option I'd imagine.
Do you really think that with all we've seen Bourne do, how he adapts and the training he's had to become a super-assassin, wrestling/ground combat wasn't on the menu?
IMO, I don't see "a good ground game" as being the kryptonite to the Operation Treadstone and Blackbriar guys.
I'm just basing this off what I've seen on screen and trying to avoid theorizing. I've seen Boyka avoid and block strikes and counter locks and grapples... all of which are stuff that Bourne would utilize. I have not seen Bourne counter ground grappling though.
And if we assume that Bourne has had ground game training because he's a super assassin then we can also assume that Boyka knows how to counter eye gouges because, well, he's a prison fighter.
And yet Boyka is noticeably faster, more skilled, far more agile, has better damage soak and durability feats. Also, there aren't any rules in Undisputed 3 since Dolor was beating people to death and they let Boyka continue to fight with a broken knee. Your move.
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