Okay first of all you can't prove how strong the Power Gem made Thor. Since it's obvious that you're stuck on this outlook, don't be surprised when no one agrees with it. No proof equals no go.
Cain has also been shown to have varying degrees of power. On average, and not low or extremely high, he has never shown the kind of strength that you suggest that he has. Thanos was hit by Tyrant, and Tyrant was portrayed to be far above the High Herald strength tier, or anything else within that tier. One-Punch just showed what Cain is without his freakish armor, and he's about Wonder Man level. If another art team was in control of the scene you wouldn't have seen shields, you would have just seen Thor negating a portion of Cain's powers, and still getting the tar beaten out of him. Ignore this if you want, but it won't change that Cain would be wrecked if he fought Thanos. And that's with or without shields.
Thor went physical with Cain without forcefields during the Octessence/Exemplar arc. Cain tanked a full force Mjolnir hit and laughed it off. He would have beaten Thor pretty bad if not for him getting teleported away by the demons to meet the other Avatar's.
I don't know how strong Thor was but I do know how strong he wasn't. He wasn't more than 2x stronger than normal.
Getting hit by a stronger and not being koed doesn't prove a thing. Batman, cap, Superman, and almost everyone in comics has been hit by stronger beings and not been koed. Thanos was affected is all that matters.
Tyrant isn't stronger than any herald. He isn't stronger than Superman (who is the strongest herald).
Wonder Man IMO is slightly above Thor strength wise.
Yet Juggs doesn't always have a forcefield as the source of his awesome durability.
Your claim was that Thanos had never tanked a High Herald's physical blow. I simply showed you that you may have been in error. Actually you are in error, because Thor is physically High Herald in strength, and even if he were only 2x his base (which is still unproven) it shows Thanos tanking his hit, and only getting a nose bleed from it. Thor has proven that he has planetary strength, which places him at the High Herald level in terms of physical strength.
Tyrant was written to be a near equal of a fed Galactus. Superman is not in his weight class. Don't kid yourself.
Cain has either been artistically portrayed as having a force field to emphasize his invulnerability, or not to have one. But there has always been a constant, and that constant is that he has always been portrayed as having a certain amount of invulnerability. Thor cut off his invulnerability, and we saw exactly how strong he was. If you gave Wonder Man Cain's enchantment at his strength level, he would be just as great of a threat as Cain. This does not mean that he has no limit to the amount that he can lift.
When he was running with the Ultraverse characters, we saw just how strong he was, and it wasn't planetary level strength, when he was trapped in cement by Spider Man, he did not show planetary level strength, when he was trapped beneath a mountain for quite a long time, he did not show that he had planetary level strength. Cain has weaknesses, because lets face it, if he was as strong as the Hulk, or Superman are, there really would be nothing that could stop him short of huge doses of PIS.
As for not being KO'd by more powerful forces. Tyrant easily put High Herald characters out, and he wasn't trying. The only thing that hurt him for a brief moment was the Spinster's weapon that was stated to be made specifically to hurt him.
If the Juggernaut's force field is being turned off in the OP, this just means that his freakish invulnerability is turned off, but he would still retain the durability of a character of his strength level has. This would roughly equate to Wonder Man (Simon Williams, not Diana Prince).
Terrible matchup. Juggernaut gets beaten down pretty quickly.
The Thanos that "was getting his shit pushed in" was fighting a Nova with the full power of the nova force, drax, and starlord with a cosmic cube 3 on 1- and those three would just regenerate if killed (which starlord was, right away), so not quite a normal fight for them.
He then went on to solo the cancerverse Avengers- Ms. Marvel, Giant Man, Cap, Quasar, Scarlet Witch, Thor, Captain Marvel(?), and Iron man armed with a cosmic cube all at the same time and won.
No way does juggernaut win that, shields or no.
Thanos is just too versatile, and Juggernaut is insanely weak to TP. Thanos mind wiped a herald and a cube being back during annihilation. This fight lasts exactly as long as it takes for Thanos to get the helmet off, after that it's lights out.
tyrant is far below Galactus. Tyrant can only fight Galactus because of draining him. Without that Galactus would shit stomp him.
What are Galactus strength feats? What are tyrants strength feats. I don't recall Tyrant wrestling with Galactus in a test of strength. A energy blast war doesn't prove strength.
Except for the fact that Galactus made Tyrant to be his near equal, and Galactus after feeding slapped him through a bulkhead, to nearly no effect. This goes a long way to show that he was strong enough to stave off being KO'd. A weakened Galactus punched King Thor through the future planet Earth, and did a lot more damage than he did to Tyrant. You really have to pay closer attention to how Tyrant was written, and what threat level he actually was, which was stated several times. Tests of strength feats aren't the end all and be all. Context goes a long way in establishing just how powerful characters actually are.
You and I have a different definition of Tank. My view of Tank is to no sell an attack. Thanos never did such a thing. I don't care if Thanos wasn't koed, he was still affected. that proves he can be affected by herald level force. Even if he had one showing of no selling a high herald (he doesn't) then it wouldn't hold much water since Thanos has been affected many many times by high heralds or lower in his entire career. Just look at his history.
You are making Thanos into something he is not. We go by feats and not speculation.
I'm for the Juggs who is invulnerable without the forcefield, as per some writers. That's the one I'm arguing. Mentioning Juggs low showings doesn't measure his strength. We seen Juggs overpowering Hulk with ease, matching WWH in strength, about to crush the living hell out of Thor, etc. Juggs is very strong. He has always affected Heralds with his attacks.
you perception is twisted. Someone slapping someone around with no visible effect doesn't mean anything. Was Galactus supposed to one shot ko him or kill him? I would have a hard time seeing Galactus do that to a herald.
This is comics. You have to prove strength by feats. I'm not going to accept your opinion of how strong Galactus is without proof.
With that said, I can name many instances of characters being hit around and not being visibly damaged.
I go by what happens him comics to form an opinion, not what I believe should be the case.
You clearly don't go by what happens in comics or we wouldn't be debating whether or not Tyrant was a Herald. Galactus never made him to be a Herald, he was made to be nearly as powerful as Galactus. What next? You going to convince yourself that Galactus is a Herald as well? I wouldn't be surprised since you have said in the past that Odin had less than high Herald strength. This seems to be where this is taking us. It also has nothing to do with Thanos beating the mess out of Cain.
So if Galactus isn't heaving up some great weight in a comic, it must be assumed he's weaker then hearlds (although he creates them with a gnats hair of his power) correct? In your mind if skyfathers and beings of that ilk don't display physical feats on panel, to hell with common sense. You come up with some doozies on a day to day basis, but Superman being stronger then Galactus might be your wildest one yet.
I'm not assuming anything, you guys are.
galactic could be a billion times stronger than Silver Surfer or just 2x stronger. Hell if I know. But one thing is for certain, you can't make claims without proof.
Do I believe non holding back high end Superman is stronger than Galactus? Hell yes! Do I believe Galactus is stronger than Thor? Yes.
Galactus, nor his heralds, has done nothing to prove that they are remotely as strong as Superman.
You want to use common sense? Ok let's play that game then.
In comics, it is stated that Surfer has 1% of Galactus power. Well by feats Superman is more than 100 times stronger than Surfer. You know the conclusion.
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