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Can't believe you are comparing those shooters to Le arrow skills. There's no comparison, at all.


Automatic weapons>arrows

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Cap threw a motorcycle into a jeep and crumpled the jeep. He's got tons of strength/durability feats that put him out of Legolas' league.


Can we even count this yet? I mean we don't see the full circumstances surrounding that feat. For all we know it happened in a Scarlet Witch induced hallucination.

Not trying to downplay Cap at all, if the feat is legit then more power to him, I'm just not a fan of using trailer feats when we've all been fooled by trailers in the past.


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Never said Le was stronger than Cap. I can't remember the martial artist guy name that fought against Cap in the second movie but that wasn't a good showing for Cap, at all. That guy wouldn't last a second against Bolg and would get brushed off. You also have the elevator scene. Le has been in far worse predicaments and stomped with hundreds of trained monsters surround him. You bringing up one showing doesn't out weight the things Cap has went through that is below Le facing Borg.


You mean when he thought Batroc was fodder like his soldiers who Cap took out instantly? Then when he got serious he took Batroc out just as fast? He didn't last a second against Cap when he stopped f*cking around.

Or how he was literally stuck to the elevator wall with a magnet, getting zapped with military grade cattle prods and still took down 11-13 highly trained agents with pretty much one arm stuck above his head in a few moments, and also was perfectly fine after? Then he jumped a few dozen stories out of a building, hit the ground and got right up?

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You mean when he thought Batroc was fodder like his soldiers who Cap took out instantly? Then when he got serious he took Batroc out just as fast? He didn't last a second against Cap when he stopped f*cking around.

Or how he was literally stuck to the elevator wall with a magnet, getting zapped with military grade cattle prods and still took down 11-13 highly trained agents with pretty much one arm stuck above his head in a few moments, and also was perfectly fine after? Then he jumped a few dozen stories out of a building, hit the ground and got right up?


2 minutes and 50 seconds. Look

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5qRQTLhuE

He gets stabbed twice in a one on one fight by a shield agent. Again, the comparison of the scene you are using with Le fighting a super human armored completely up doesn't compare.

It was still a fight between Cap and Batroc (couldn't remember that). Cap just took him out like he should've done. This scene wouldn't have happened at all with Le.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giBNXb16t3I

Fight would've been over with in seconds.


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By stabbed you mean stunned right?

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By stabbed you mean stunned right?


Yep. Replace that scene with bladed weapons though. Cap probably would've died from that one guy.


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Yep. Replace that scene with bladed weapons though. Cap probably would've died from that one guy.


So then that shield guy>Winter Soldier?

Because TWS didn't get a single knife attack on him. laughing

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So then that shield guy>Winter Soldier?

Because TWS didn't get a single knife attack on him. laughing


Not saying that. I brought that up because King brought up Borg even though during Le and Borg first fight, Borg was getting handled and he had a group of monsters helping him. Then he ran.


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And he'd been charged with at that point probably several hundred thousand volts of electricity.

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Where did you get that from?


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Not saying that. I brought that up because King brought up Borg even though during Le and Borg first fight, Borg was getting handled and he had a group of monsters helping him. Then he ran.


Oh man this post is so good I might have to concede.

Show me an instance of Cap running from anyone above him?

Thor? nope, Loki? nope.

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Oh man this post is so good I might have to concede.

Show me an instance of Cap running from anyone above him?

Thor? nope, Loki? nope.


Cap didn't run, Borg ran. What I'm saying is, the fight King mentioned had some context imo and during Borg and Le first scuffle, Borg was on the losing end, even with help.


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Where did you get that from?


The fact that he was getting jabbed with those high tech cattle prods. Normal cattle prods can put out over 30,000 volts. Those were high tech, military grade and definitely put out a whole lot more. Especially since they were trying to use them to subdue Cap of all people. Do you think they'd use normal tazers when regular people can shrug those off?

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The fact that he was getting jabbed with those high tech cattle prods. Normal cattle prods can put out over 30,000 volts. Those were high tech, military grade and definitely put out a whole lot more. Especially since they were trying to use them to subdue Cap of all people. Do you think they'd use normal tazers when regular people can shrug those off?


Its obvious they were not trying to kill him. Looked more on the subdue side so inputting anymore than what we know of is debatable since again, they were trying to cage him rather than kill him. Then Cap suit probably absorbed most of that attack.


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Its obvious they were not trying to kill him. Looked more on the subdue side so inputting anymore than what we know of is debatable since again, they were trying to cage him rather than kill him.


So by sending a swat team, tws, and a hellicarrier after him wasn't trying to kill him?

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Its obvious they were not trying to kill him. Looked more on the subdue side so inputting anymore than what we know of is debatable since again, they were trying to cage him rather than kill him. Then Cap suit probably absorbed most of that attack.


I know they were trying to capture him at first. It's why they used stun rods instead of just trying to shoot him in the elevator. And an easy way of subduing someone is electricity. And for a guy who is enhanced like Cap, they knew that normal voltages wouldn't do anything. These guys had full access to Cap's personal files so they knew what they needed adn it still wasn't enough.

And what evidence is there to Cap's suit absorbing the electricity? He certainly seemed to feel it and he'd have no reason for it to be insulated against electricity.

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I know they were trying to capture him at first. It's why they used stun rods instead of just trying to shoot him in the elevator. And an easy way of subduing someone is electricity. And for a guy who is enhanced like Cap, they knew that normal voltages wouldn't do anything. These guys had full access to Cap's personal files so they knew what they needed adn it still wasn't enough.

And what evidence is there to Cap's suit absorbing the electricity? He certainly seemed to feel it and he'd have no reason for it to be insulated against electricity.


The wouldn't know what would kill him or not. I just think there is more evidence to be needed than us just guessing here.

Going by physics here. Rubber vs Electricity.


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Cap throwing the motorcycle doesnt count, if you watch the trailer the throw is achieved my momentum, not brute strength

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At great range, I'd probably give it to Legolas. His aim with bow and arrow is uncanny, so he could probably put enough arrows in Cap to slow him down and then go in with him long knives after Cap is weakened.

Up close. Cap would wreck him, but come out bloody.


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Cap throwing the motorcycle doesnt count, if you watch the trailer the throw is achieved my momentum, not brute strength


He's already lifted a motorcycle over his head in his first movie, with 3 women sitting on it. And even though it was moving, he still had to flip over, land on his feet and throw it hard enough to destroy a jeep. You can't try to downplay that by saying he used momentum. Unless you think a normal person can do the same thing as long as they have the appropriate momentum.

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