prove that he can take a punch from Superman. What are his durability feats against blunt force. Prove that he is resistant to temperatures thousands of times hotter than a star. Otherwise you have no basis for saying that he wins. And you will be just blatantly using a no limits fallacy.
Do you believe that mankind can create and measure temperatures that are thousands of times hotter than the sun?
If you don't then I'll post some links for you.
If you do then you can't deny the scan I posted. It specifically says that Superman's hv is off the charts by any standard scientific measures. That means it is hotter than what they can measure. And like I said, I can prove that man can not only measure but create temperatures on earth thousands of times hotter than the sun.
Casually overpowering Silver Surfer is all the proof needed.
No limits...such as "off the charts HV" or "not holding back Superman"?
Of course they can. And? A reporter's statement on it holds little weight. And if we take that thousands of degrees hotter than the sun at face value, why aren't people like Runner and Silver Surfer getting vaporized left and right by these awesome weapons that are thousands of times hotter than the sun?
Well you won't get an answer, or the proper one in any case from h1. He tends to throw the no limits fallacy fallacy around when he tries to make a point, but doesn't see that he's actually saying that a character capable of withstanding Superman's HV would have to have no limits in order to survive it.
So being about twice as strong as Surfer is proof of beating Superman? You know that Superman is many times stronger than Surfer right?
Surfer and runner haven't been shot by something that hot. These temperatures are created in a huge laboratory facility, not for offensive use or weaponry. And these are not lasers or energy beams when I mentioned that man can create those temperatures.
And it's all about writer's intentions. What were his intentions? That Superman's hv is beyond anything man can measure.
Or...his intentions were that reporter was given to hyperbole.
Surely, in all of Superman's history, you can dig something else up? Prof Hamilton, after all, studied him extensively - does he not have any measurements?
Otherwise, we'd have to take Reed's statements about million exploding suns at face value - or PM's statements about Hulk supporting a star at face value.
It can't be hyperbole if it actually compares the hv to things man created and actually gives evidence towards actual measurement. I'm only suggesting that Superman can create temperature EQUAL to what man can create (although the scan implies much more) and not more. This is more than fair. It wouldn't make any sense for Superman's hv to be less powerful than the things normal man can create.
But to back it up with other circumstances. We know that Superman can withstand a star's heat, even when the star is robbing him of power instead. Yet hv was shown time and time again to be hot enough to burn through Superman and as well as probes.
Why can't any if not all of what you are stating here be applied to the Surfer? Not to seem like I'm trying to pick a fight with you or anything, my first thoughts were that Superman (OWAW) wins this, but I can't see why you think that the Surfer is incapable of very impressive power stunts himself? There was a time that the Surfer was grief stricken over the destruction of Zenn-La and this made his power spike to the point that Galactus had wondered how any other being beside himself could put out that much power. This is Galactus that I'm talking about, and not some prop character or lack feat Probe.
Are you suggesting that Surfer is beyond Odin or even Thanos? It's irrelevant since the Surfer that fought runner was an average one, not an amped one. OWAW Superman is significantly stronger than average Surfer.
The Surfer wasn't amped in the scene that I described, he was grief stricken from what I recall. I could be wrong, but I think that it was all under his own power. Read what i wrote, not what you think I wrote.
With or without. Doesn't matter. Or does he have some new feats I don't know about or is it the same tired overpowering Surfer [which Superman would also easily do, particularly in OWAW mode] and the other of tearing his chair apart and getting outsmarted by Thanos?
I see no evidence he'd even register as a threat.
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