Ronan lacks feats so it's hard to argue for him. Ideally I'd rate him at least as strong and tough as an Asgardian which would put him over Lizard but we don't really have any feats to support this so I'm leaning on Lizard for the meantime.
Gem-less Ronan has one notable combat feat which involved beating up on a shitfaced Drax. That's not enough evidence to say he can take down the monster that would have killed Spiderman, if not for plot device. What strength feats do Ronan have that puts him above Lizard? What speed/reaction feats does he have that puts him above, or even close to, Lizard? What suggests that he can harm Lizard in H2H faster than Lizard can recover? What evidence is there that he can resist Lizard's claws close up? I am open to being convinced otherwise if someone can actually provide an argument for him, but I'm sticking with Lizard all the way until then. I mean do people really think a drunk Drax > ASM?
Also, what puts the average Asgardian above a Spiderman level character, other than having an edge in overall durability? The average Asgardian certainly isn't any stronger, and certainly not any faster or more agile, nor quicker healers, based on feats.
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Last edited by TheVaultDweller on Oct 29th, 2015 at 02:52 AM
'Drax" isn't a proper counter. As noted, Drax was drunk and sloppy when he fought Ronan and ASM who was almost killed by the Lizard would have kicked the shit out of a drunk Drax as well.
Repeat: Which feats of gemless-Ronan make him win here? <-- now stress out because you know you can't debate
It doesn't matter, Ronan was a few classes stronger ad faster. Unless you think Sober Drax honestly could beat Ronan, what else is there to say? Him being drunk doesn't lower his strength either.
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The fact that Drax was physically weaker doesn't help Ronan in this match. All this means is that not only did he have the advantage that his opponent was drunk, he was physically stronger than his opponent as well. But nothing either of them did puts them above Lizard, who did things like toss large vehicles around like they were nothing and tunnel through concrete.
Also, I don't think anyone really thinks Drax could beat Ronan when sober, but he would probably perform better. Being as drunk as Drax was portrayed as being doesn't make you physically weaker, but it does affect your mental faculties, motor skills, and reaction times, all of which are important in a fight. I still think that Ronan would beat him, but I don't think that it would be quite as one-sided as it was.
And in terms of speed/reactions, Lizard could keep up with Spiderman, who in turn could casually dodge bullets at point blank range while talking trash.
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Listing a lesser feat than what the Lizard has shown: ripping through metal, borrowing through concrete, easily tossing cars, taking on SM, having claws, teeth and an amazing HF, isn't properly debating. You've failed once again, it was expected.
This of course won't stop you from flaming and ranting as a means to distract from your failure. So go on.
We all got how ridiculously powered Ronan operated on and yet Robbie continues to say this lizard guy beats him. He's clueless and shouldn't be allowed to watch a film alone.
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