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Quan does have a point about the goat. Even if link is a 200tonner, he is too ligjt to have enough leverage in a lot of situations. Unless he actually squats down and holds the qround there is nothing stopping vader from tossing him around like a ragdoll.
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Can you provide any notable reaction feats, or why this is significant (pretty sure Ezra and Kanan are low tier schmucks anyways), or is this just your "OMG LOLOLOLOL XDXDXDXDXD" style of "debating" at work



You really wanna do the whole nitpicking low end showings when it comes to Star Wars of all things, really?



I believe Scream or someone calc'd Link's Goron Toss at 200 tons or something

Multi-ton TK? So, roughly on par with Link's strength without any gear? Okay
We see how skilled he is when he is up against them. I for one think Kanan is better with a saber than Link.

Facts are facts.

So you can't prove it. Concession accepted.


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We see how skilled he is when he is up against them.


Can you quantify any of it, or just "zomg dey luked rly kool!!!111!!!"

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I for one think Kanan is better with a saber than Link.


Argument from belief

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Facts are facts.


Low end showings are not evidence according to any debater with a shred of integrity

Star Wars has a lot of low end showings, or do they not count when they don't suit you?

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So you can't prove it. Concession accepted.


He tossed a Goron which was 200 tons, which is beyond Vader's TK feats.

"multi ton" nothing

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Originally posted by StealthRanger
Can you quantify any of it, or just "zomg dey luked rly kool!!!111!!!"



Argument from belief



Low end showings are not evidence according to any debater with a shred of integrity

Star Wars has a lot of low end showings, or do they not count when they don't suit you?



He tossed a Goron which was 200 tons, which is beyond Vader's TK feats.

"multi ton" nothing


Only one point to counter. If its a low end showing, and its canon, then it most certainly gets to be allowed as evidence, unless the character was underpowered in some way.


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Originally posted by StealthRanger
Can you quantify any of it, or just "zomg dey luked rly kool!!!111!!!"



Argument from belief



Low end showings are not evidence according to any debater with a shred of integrity

Star Wars has a lot of low end showings, or do they not count when they don't suit you?



He tossed a Goron which was 200 tons, which is beyond Vader's TK feats.

"multi ton" nothing
We see the manner in which he reacts or counters is beyond Link at any point in TP. Pretty simple, kiddo.

Based on what he's done with his saber and who he's been up against its supported by common sense.

All facts are evidence. Anyone saying that doesn't count or this doesn't count is being biased and ignoring what they don't like. You're a fanboy.

He had the boots on. Prove they weigh over 200 tons. The objects Vader has tk'd is far greater than this anyways. That's what's so hilarious about this, fanboy.


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Since when has brute strength countered TK?

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We see the manner in which he reacts or counters is beyond Link at any point in TP. Pretty simple, kiddo.


Can you quantify it, or is it just better because "Dey luked rly kool"

Get the **** out with your unquantified horsehit "arguments"

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Based on what he's done with his saber


Being.....

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and who he's been up against its supported by common sense.


Argument from belief

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All facts are evidence. Anyone saying that doesn't count or this doesn't count is being biased and ignoring what they don't like. You're a fanboy.


Coming from the guy who only ever cites low end showings for his side

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He had the boots on.


Red herring

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Prove they weigh over 200 tons.


Calc'd at 200 tons. Calcs>you

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The objects Vader has tk'd is far greater than this anyways. That's what's so hilarious about this, fanboy.


Quantify it or GTFO

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Since when has brute strength countered TK?


It's an ability to apply force with your mind, simple

And force can be overwhelmed with greater force, if it wasn't the case telekinetics could lift any object regardless of it's size and mass and accelerate them to any speed they like instantly with no effort, but they don't so that's that idea out the window

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Originally posted by StealthRanger
Can you quantify it, or is it just better because "Dey luked rly kool"

Get the **** out with your unquantified horsehit "arguments"



Being.....



Argument from belief



Coming from the guy who only ever cites low end showings for his side



Red herring



Calc'd at 200 tons. Calcs>you



Quantify it or GTFO



It's an ability to apply force with your mind, simple

And force can be overwhelmed with greater force, if it wasn't the case telekinetics could lift any object regardless of it's size and mass and accelerate them to any speed they like instantly with no effort, but they don't so that's that idea out the window
Calcs are less then Garbage, honestly.

You said Wind in FF7 moved at Mach 100, but it isn't possible for wind to move that fast.

Not getting involved in your personal little debate with Quan, but you're making rookie mistakes when it comes to debating that are easy to pick at.

Calcs are debunked all the time, we base stuff on what we see, and not what we hear from other people


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Originally posted by StealthRanger
Can you quantify it, or is it just better because "Dey luked rly kool"

Get the **** out with your unquantified horsehit "arguments"



Being.....



Argument from belief



Coming from the guy who only ever cites low end showings for his side



Red herring



Calc'd at 200 tons. Calcs>you



Quantify it or GTFO



It's an ability to apply force with your mind, simple

And force can be overwhelmed with greater force, if it wasn't the case telekinetics could lift any object regardless of it's size and mass and accelerate them to any speed they like instantly with no effort, but they don't so that's that idea out the window
Watch the fight. What do you mean quantify it ? If I see Vader use superb skill against these two guys and a child beat two other kids in a laughable fight I can determine Vader is more skilled based off the eye test.

Against Luke, Ezra, Kanan, etc.

Logic isn't common since you apparently don't have it, kid.

Using the word low shows bias. There are only facts, kid.

No, since the game makes it clear without the boots he doesn't have the weight to resist the gorons. laughing out loud

Prove it. Quit citing other people's random guess. Rookie mistake.

You didn't quantify anything you said what someone else said as proof. laughing out loud

Vader wins, easily.


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Watch the fight. What do you mean quantify it ? If I see Vader use superb skill against these two guys and a child beat two other kids in a laughable fight I can determine Vader is more skilled based off the eye test.


And this is why nobody likes you, all you do is just go "hurr hey gaise dis r good show me somethink bettar". When someone actually does you just go "nar sorry dat's not good enough". Quantify this shit legitimately or get the hell out

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Against Luke, Ezra, Kanan, etc.


Can you tell me why this is impressive at all?

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Logic isn't common since you apparently don't have it, kid.


You are in no position to act condescending

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Using the word low shows bias. There are only facts, kid.


Yeah and Superman being knocked out by a fence post is a legit showing. You're a joke thumb up

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No, since the game makes it clear without the boots he doesn't have the weight to resist the gorons. laughing out loud


Weight, not strength. Physics 101

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Prove it. Quit citing other people's random guess. Rookie mistake.


>calcs that put him at that level
>just random guesses
>essentially pulls the "I don't like it so it's wrong argument"

An eloquent counterargument

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You didn't quantify anything you said what someone else said as proof. laughing out loud


Genetic fallacy, and providing actual numbers and why beating *insert x character here* is impressive>"Lawl I tink I saw'd him fite low tier schmucks liek Ezra and Kanan and it loked rly kool!!!!111!!!"

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Vader wins, easily.


With his 2 km/y speed and low level telekinesis rite?

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Originally posted by StealthRanger
And this is why nobody likes you, all you do is just go "hurr hey gaise dis r good show me somethink bettar". When someone actually does you just go "nar sorry dat's not good enough". Quantify this shit legitimately or get the hell out



Can you tell me why this is impressive at all?



You are in no position to act condescending



Yeah and Superman being knocked out by a fence post is a legit showing. You're a joke thumb up



Weight, not strength. Physics 101



>calcs that put him at that level
>just random guesses
>essentially pulls the "I don't like it so it's wrong argument"

An eloquent counterargument



Genetic fallacy, and providing actual numbers and why beating *insert x character here* is impressive>"Lawl I tink I saw'd him fite low tier schmucks liek Ezra and Kanan and it loked rly kool!!!!111!!!"



With his 2 km/y speed and low level telekinesis rite?
We see the skill Vader shows in his fights which is superior to the skill Link shows in his fights. He didn't have years of experience either which is a fact. Vader did. laughing out loud

Watch the fight and see for yourself, noob.

You are a joke.

Facts are facts. You don't get to pretend facts don't exist simply because you're a fanboy.

Without the weight Link can't do anything to a goron. laughing out loud

Cite the specs.

Vader has greater feats, more experience, etc.


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We see the skill Vader shows in his fights which is superior to the skill Link shows in his fights.


Do you have any reason to believe that, considering "skill" isn't overtly definitive a term

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He didn't have years of experience either which is a fact. Vader did. laughing out loud


Only feats matter, who gives a shit about "years of experience", there are so many characters in fiction without "years of experience" who could utterly wreck Vader

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Watch the fight and see for yourself, noob.


>asserts that Vader has far better reaction speed
>demands me to do my homework for him

vs debating 101

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You are a joke.


Is 'no u' really the best you can come up with /depressed

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Without the weight Link can't do anything to a goron. laughing out loud


Boots simply anchor him to the ground, and doesn't change the fact that he lifted and tossed it, which outclasses any strength or raw power feat from any Disney SW character

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Cite the specs.


Throwing a 200 ton Goron

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Vader has greater feats, more experience, etc.


Some TK that can lift a few tons at best and some low superhuman speed. Experience don't mean shit, only feats matter

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Originally posted by StealthRanger
And this is why nobody likes you, all you do is just go "hurr hey gaise dis r good show me somethink bettar". When someone actually does you just go "nar sorry dat's not good enough". Quantify this shit legitimately or get the hell out



Can you tell me why this is impressive at all?



You are in no position to act condescending



Yeah and Superman being knocked out by a fence post is a legit showing. You're a joke thumb up



Weight, not strength. Physics 101



>calcs that put him at that level
>just random guesses
>essentially pulls the "I don't like it so it's wrong argument"

An eloquent counterargument



Genetic fallacy, and providing actual numbers and why beating *insert x character here* is impressive>"Lawl I tink I saw'd him fite low tier schmucks liek Ezra and Kanan and it loked rly kool!!!!111!!!"



With his 2 km/y speed and low level telekinesis rite?


Dude, its not that calc's are always off.

Its just that, usually the ones you bring to the table ARE off.

200 Tons is a LOTTTTTT.

By comparison, a minivan weighs about 1 Ton.

What Goron is there that is 200 Tons???


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Vader has deflected multiple blaster shots with his lightsaber and even caught a few with his hands. He also almost singlehandidly slaughtered every jedi in the jedi temple, so he's obviously fast enough to handle multiple jedi at once. I'd ay he's reaction time is pretty good.

But what gives him the win his range. He'll never cross blades with link because he can easily kill him from a distance.


I think this is what quan is getting at. He has taken out multiple skilled opponents at once si vader's skill is at least on par with link.

So much negativity...

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Do you have any reason to believe that, considering "skill" isn't overtly definitive a term



Only feats matter, who gives a shit about "years of experience", there are so many characters in fiction without "years of experience" who could utterly wreck Vader



>asserts that Vader has far better reaction speed
>demands me to do my homework for him

vs debating 101



Is 'no u' really the best you can come up with /depressed



Boots simply anchor him to the ground, and doesn't change the fact that he lifted and tossed it, which outclasses any strength or raw power feat from any Disney SW character



Throwing a 200 ton Goron



Some TK that can lift a few tons at best and some low superhuman speed. Experience don't mean shit, only feats matter
Skill always matters.

I just gave you feats. Experience does matter. All facts matter.

Deflecting blaster fire. Boom.

He needs the added weight and can never do so without the boots. Without the boots he isn't strong enough with his own body weight to resist.

You have not proven he weighs 200 tons. It is laughable.

All variables matter, fanboy. He needs those boots.


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...

Uh...

What?


Never heard of a Force Grip/Choke?


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Never heard of a Force Grip/Choke?


That didn't come to mind at the time, I figured what he meant was that Vader was gonna throw him into space.


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Skill always matters.


Not when you're outclassed by a huge margain physically

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I just gave you feats.


You just told me he beat someone, can you say why this is impressive (as in, feats or GTFO)

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Experience does matter. All facts matter.


Only feats matter. Yusuke Urameshi doesn't have "years of experience", and he'd casually trash the Disney SW cast single handedly

Senator Armstrong doesn't have "years of experience" in physical combat, yet he'd speedblitz and one punch Vader to scrap metal

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Deflecting blaster fire. Boom.


Precognition

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He needs the added weight and can never do so without the boots. Without the boots he isn't strong enough with his own body weight to resist.


Body weight is the sole reason he needs the boots, it makes no difference to physical strength. Since by real life, things like say, Raiden stopping Outer Heaven would be impractical due to the mass disparity

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You have not proven he weighs 200 tons. It is laughable.


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I'll math it myself, you were using some bad numbers somewhere, sir.

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6 ft = 80 pixels

The goron = 228. THEREFORE; 228/80 = 2.85
2.85x6 = 17.1 Ft in diameter.

V= pi*r^3*0.75=4007.9816296875 cubic feet.

so, let's get conservative here.

4000x100 lbs = 400 000 lbs = 200 tons.

Just so we're clear, seeing as he stopped it, then threw it, yes, Link is infact stronger.

Given that the Gorons are probably about as heavy as granite, multiply that by 1.6 to get a more accurate weight. =] I forget where I read they were granite thoguh, so I won't use those numbers until I find the quote.


Now then, your move, son

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All variables matter, fanboy. He needs those boots.


Are you trying to say he doesn't have them here?

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Not when you're outclassed by a huge margain physically



You just told me he beat someone, can you say why this is impressive (as in, feats or GTFO)



Only feats matter. Yusuke Urameshi doesn't have "years of experience", and he'd casually trash the Disney SW cast single handedly

Senator Armstrong doesn't have "years of experience" in physical combat, yet he'd speedblitz and one punch Vader to scrap metal



Precognition



Body weight is the sole reason he needs the boots, it makes no difference to physical strength. Since by real life, things like say, Raiden stopping Outer Heaven would be impractical due to the mass disparity





Now then, your move, son



Are you trying to say he doesn't have them here?
You have not proven Link is that much stronger than him at all. Back your claims.

That is a feat. Watch the fight, noob.

He has feats and experience, noob. Everything matters.

Which he has here so thanks for agreeing with me.


Without the body weight he can't do so it is a moot point.

That isn't proof that's just making up numbers.

If he puts the boots on he is a lot slower and less maneuverable. Vader carves him up.


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