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krisblaze
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Yeah, but he had some decent showings. I don't see how Blue Marvel can resist something like this:


This is what I meant by rampant PIS.

Stewart and Flash taking a dive over nothing.


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This is what I meant by rampant PIS.

Stewart and Flash taking a dive over nothing.


He also treated Superman like nothing in his first encounter. He's just that powerful. Now if BM has TK/TP resisting feats, I'd take him, but I don't think he does.

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He also treated Superman like nothing in his first encounter. He's just that powerful. Now if BM has TK/TP resisting feats, I'd take him, but I don't think he does.


He's not "just that powerful".

Outside that crossover he had nothing putting him on that level.

In any non-retarded storyline Superman would wipe the floor with him.


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Well he was either resisting, or needed to take a massive cringe worthy sweat inducing shit. eek!
Pretty sure it was the second. Don't think he was resisting so much as as managed to get a blast off while still immobilized.

In any case, didn't seem at all like TP. Tangent's got a reasonable chance here unless BM can pull an actual resistance feat out. BM will sure give the Captain Sisko wannabe a fight though.

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IMO, he didn't actually resist anything.

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Its not a TP resistance feat, which is what others were saying.

Neither was it a resistance feat as such...sure he was trying to resist (hence the constipation face), but he still had to follow his commands.

The anti matter blast from his eyes? No water there, I wager.


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Then you shouldn't have bothered to post the first scan. The group including BM were already subdued.

Except the control over BM didn't last which was obvious in your second scan. On top of that he's the only one who was shown to be actively resisting(after resisting the initial entranced state)leading to the bad guy giving him extra special attention.


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Well he was either resisting, or needed to take a massive cringe worthy sweat inducing shit. eek!

Either way, my opinion's not swayed.
You were actually the guy who helped me not oversell TS, so i'm not putting him over BM on 3 feats (Flash/featless Fellow Tangents/prep feat on Stewart), and Zack's opinion which amounts to "TP for insta win".


At this point we have it being shown Supes demonstrated psychic attacks on multiple occasions, as well as no demonstrated instances of BM resisting any such attacks. I would wonder what it would take to sway you if that isn't enough.


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Why is the bad guy always white?


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Why is the bad guy always white?


Cuz we're evil and we enslave people.


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Then you shouldn't have bothered to post the first scan. The group including BM were already subdued.

Except the control over BM didn't last which was obvious in your second scan. On top of that he's the only one who was shown to be actively resisting(after resisting the initial entranced state)leading to the bad guy giving him extra special attention.


First scan was to show he controlled water, not TP.

He was attempting to resist, but still was unable to. Sure, doing better than the others, but still controlled.


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First scan was to show he controlled water, not TP.

He was attempting to resist, but still was unable to. Sure, doing better than the others, but still controlled.

I know it's not your traditional mind control, but his little clichéd monologue as super villains are so apt to do I believe kind of describes what his power was doing in that scene.

"Allow me a moment's satisfaction. This is in the small scale, what It's all for after all.

The final elimination of humanity... Of the desire to think... To rebel...

... To be more than just another resource to squander at our whim."


To me it definitely looked to be like a type of mind control albeit through non traditional and mystical means(through the control of liquid). And later on in the arc we see the amped version of this similar attack of subverting wills through the merging of the Deathwalkers. Lichidus's monolgue alluded to as much when he describes it as a small sample of what's to come.

And in regards to resisting, I don't buy that there was no resistance considering the group were obviously subdued initially up until the point at which BM was seemingly able to escape from the entrance state and ultimately blasting Lichidus.


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All the same, it's not traditional mind control as what Tangent Supes does, that's all am saying.

Does BM have any TP resistance feats?


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He's not "just that powerful".

Outside that crossover he had nothing putting him on that level.

In any non-retarded storyline Superman would wipe the floor with him.


Of course he is. He was always intended to be that way on his earth. Once he faced the regular heroes that we all know, it only reinforced it. Even to this day, he's been owning those heroes.

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All the same, it's not traditional mind control as what Tangent Supes does, that's all am saying.

Does BM have any TP resistance feats?

Traditional tp...? None that I know of. But I think that showing should be considered because having a strong willpower is a valid basis for resisting any form of tp. Not saying it's ironclad that Harvey's tp would be useless however.

As far as how this fight goes, I think TS has the edge based on his powerset. Frankly I need to see more from BM in regards to tp resisting and willpower feats.


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Traditional tp...? None that I know of. But I think that showing should be considered because having a strong willpower is a valid basis for resisting any form of tp. Not saying it's ironclad that Harvey's tp would be useless however.

As far as how this fight goes, I think TS has the edge based on his powerset. Frankly I need to see more from BM in regards to tp resisting and willpower feats.


He had fine use of TK when he crushed Barry Allen. Unless BM has will over his own synapse in his brain, BM wouldn't be able to do anything.

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Of course he is. He was always intended to be that way on his earth. Once he faced the regular heroes that we all know, it only reinforced it. Even to this day, he's been owning those heroes.


Sure, when Flash is a total retard and Stewart can't even keep his ring on.


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Since when does being controlled mean that the control only lasts for 2 seconds? Controlled means that the character would be actively subdued for the duration that it would take for them to be clobbered. He has a valid TP resistance feat that people are attempting to ignore. No one even know whether or not the guy zapping him is more powerful than Tangent or not either. The question asked was whether or not he had any TP resistance feats, or else tangent would dominate him and win. We need to move on since BM demonstrated that he was at least capable of breaking out of TP control which means that he can actively resist it. No one said anything about stopping the telepath from using their powers.


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Except that it wasn't TP and TS has more than TP to rely on.

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Traditional tp...? None that I know of. But I think that showing should be considered because having a strong willpower is a valid basis for resisting any form of tp. Not saying it's ironclad that Harvey's tp would be useless however.

As far as how this fight goes, I think TS has the edge based on his powerset. Frankly I need to see more from BM in regards to tp resisting and willpower feats.


I think I will go ask someone who actually knows BM, thank you very much. Maybe there's a respect thread for him.


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