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Cade takes 1, loses 2, and wins 3. 1 6.25%
Cade takes 2, loses 1, and wins 3. 0 0%
Cade takes the majority every round. 5 31.25%
Malgus takes 1, loses 2, and wins 3. 0 0%
Malgus takes 2, loses 1, and wins 3. 1 6.25%
Malgus takes the majority every round. 9 56.25%
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Cade Skywalker vs. Darth Malgus
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Rockydonovang
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If krayt's tk and lightning can't put cade down, neither can malgus's

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TenebrousWay
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Considering Malgus is alive, it's best to wait what kind of explanation they're going to give for the battle.


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They could always just say Morichro.

Doubt they're going to bring him back, though.


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All we know is that he's certain to appear in a cutscene and that the sabotage of the Eternal Alliance is suspiciously similar to Malgus' operandi. There's also the fact that many exotic and high tech materials were supplied to the "rebels" and Malgus had been known to employ alien technicians and the such.


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Rebel95
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Malgus

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Originally posted by Geistalt
Can't Force Choke 3 protagonists while manhandling the 4th. Or make them all kneel with Lightning.


He manhandled them so hard that he lost the fight. Cade could probably replicate that much.


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You could also solo Malgus. Which Maybe we shouldn't use game mechanics as feats. Just a thought.

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Yes smile

On what grounds are you assuming that Cade Skywalker is a better swordsman than Darth Malgus?

Secondly, Aryn Leener > Darth Talon.

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You could also solo Malgus. Which Maybe we shouldn't use game mechanics as feats. Just a thought.

Do we have an official assessment of that fight?

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Do we have an official assessment of that fight?


The official SWTOR site still says that flashpoint is a team quest or something so I doubt the solo fight is anything more than game mechanics.


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Cade wins Force, loses sabers. Not positive about all-out.


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Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
The official SWTOR site still says that flashpoint is a team quest or something so I doubt the solo fight is anything more than game mechanics.

That's not how that works. It says it's a flashpoint because...it's a flashpoint. Flashpoints by their very nature allow for as many people as you want to participate, and the number of people is acknowledged in the game. BioWare itself, however(despite constant claims to the otherwise), has never established a canon for TOR. SWTOR doesn't have a canon storyline. There are no canon decisions. There is no canon character for anything. And even if there was, SWTOR itself is a non canon work tantamount to fanfiction, and just as valid. The idea of anything happening just this way or that is an argument used by those on this forum and elsewhere to wank characters. Nothing more. There are encylopedia entries that some people are particularly fond of for making arguments, but as that was never meant to establish a certain canon to begin with, that's an invalid argument within itself. Even all that is beside the point because what is canon will never establish what is possible or valid, just what happened. Did Malgus fight one protagonist or four? What about two? Three? And who did he fight? The Hero of Tython? The Wrath? Cipher Nine? The answer is: none of the above. Malgus fought all of them and none of them, and any of those situations is just as valid a scenario as the rest. Does it matter that Malgus could fight four protagonists and still lose? Nope. Because Malgus can also fight one protagonist, any one protagonist. And still lose. That is all that matters.

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Yeah. I doubt I need to remind you guys that in Revan's FP you fight HK-49 as a Strike Team, as well. I seriously question the idea that it would take the 4 protags to take down a droid.


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Yeah. I doubt I need to remind you guys that in Revan's FP you fight HK-49 as a Strike Team, as well. I seriously question the idea that it would take the 4 protags to take down a droid.


That's why you called it Revan's flashpoint and not HK's. The objective of the flashpoint is to take down Revan, HK is a sub boss.

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That's why you called it Revan's flashpoint and not HK's. The objective of the flashpoint is to take down Revan, HK is a sub boss.


Still, it's not like you take it down with ease. It takes 4 protags to defeat him and his small droid army. In reality, a single protag would be more than enough for Hk, lol.


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Still, it's not like you take it down with ease. It takes 4 protags to defeat him and his small droid army. In reality, a single protag would be more than enough for Hk, lol.


History wise, it takes 4 protags to take down Revan - who is the reason the strike team is assembled in the first place. HK being difficult to defeat is pure game mechanics.

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Where is that ever said? Story-wise, they just give credit to whoever went, and in SoR, they just give credit to the protagonist who is there. You don't get to just arbitrarily decided what is and isn't game mechanics using boss fights. Either it's all, or nothing(unless stated to the contrary). Just like in story, it is acknowledged when you defeat Malgus solo. Until there is some sort of official storyline, i.e. never, you have to acknowledge all possibilities shown on screen. Maybe even after. If it were meant to be impossible, it wouldn't be possible to begin with.

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Petrus stated that it took 4 protags to take HK down, I corrected him explanining that the objective of the mission is to stop Revan. What applies to Revan doesn't necessarily applies to HK, as a sub boss.

The fact flashpoints exist after all, is clearly indicator that, story wise, for that particular objective, a group of people is assembled. Otherwise, there'd be no reason for their existence at all. I'd also like to ask you: is Ant wrong when he stated the encyclopedia refers that it was a group that actually fought Malgus/Revan whatever?

I have no idea about what you're talking in reference to me deciding what is or what isn't game mechanics. HK being difficulty to defeat is certainly game mechanics - unless you think bosses in SWTOR can realisticaly suffer dozens of lightsabers wounds plus granades plus blaster fire before being defeated?!


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You're making some serious leaps in logic if you think Revan being the objective somehow makes him have different rules apply to him. The objective of the mission was send an entire fleet at Malak. Or Vader. Or Vitiate. Or Krayt. I could go on. Still only took one Jedi. Being the objective isn't what decided any of those things. Those are all vastly different situations that require logical conclusions outside of being "the objective."

It actually isn't. Especially since storywise that's never said, and doing them solo is acknowledged by the story. Flashpoints only point to them being balanced for multiple people to do at once because it's an MMO. Even that isn't required anymore.And what Ant actually said is that the encyclopedia states a strike team was sent, by both sides no less, to face Malgus. I think it's pretty clear both sides didn't have teams inside the Emperor's Space Station, but regardless, the encyclopedia isn't even a canon for TOR let alone anything else. It was a pre-release reference guide that isn't even consistent within itself. That's not even mentioning it's consistency with the game. Acting like it determines anything is asinine.

Don't be dense. The point is, as I stated above, you are no the authority on what is and what is not difficult. HK being a hard boss fight is a game mechanic. So if Revan requiring four people to beat him, unless stated otherwise. Period. Or you think HK requires four people just like Revan did. You don't get to decide as it suits you.

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TenebrousWay
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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You're making some serious leaps in logic if you think Revan being the objective somehow makes him have different rules apply to him. The objective of the mission was send an entire fleet at Malak. Or Vader. Or Vitiate. Or Krayt. I could go on. Still only took one Jedi. Being the objective isn't what decided any of those things. Those are all vastly different situations that require logical conclusions outside of being "the objective."


What?! I'm saying that if it takes four people to stop Revan to take control of the Foundry, it doesn't mean it takes 4 people to to defeat HK, or that it takes 4 people to take down fodder droids in the flashpoint. I'm not understanding what's your point at all.

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It actually isn't. Especially since storywise that's never said, and doing them solo is acknowledged by the story. Flashpoints only point to them being balanced for multiple people to do at once because it's an MMO. Even that isn't required anymore.And what Ant actually said is that the encyclopedia states a strike team was sent, by both sides no less, to face Malgus. I think it's pretty clear both sides didn't have teams inside the Emperor's Space Station, but regardless, the encyclopedia isn't even a canon for TOR let alone anything else. It was a pre-release reference guide that isn't even consistent within itself. That's not even mentioning it's consistency with the game. Acting like it determines anything is asinine.


What prevents Malgus from fighting two teams, by the way? smile The fact there are only four people there may simple be game mechanics, who knows. smilesmilesmile

Additionaly, the fact two teams are referred there gives more support to the team mode than the solo mode, regardless of TOR not having a canon story.

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Don't be dense. The point is, as I stated above, you are no the authority on what is and what is not difficult. HK being a hard boss fight is a game mechanic. So if Revan requiring four people to beat him, unless stated otherwise. Period. Or you think HK requires four people just like Revan did. You don't get to decide as it suits you.


LMFAO. My comment about HK being difficult was a reply to Petrus, who considered him to be difficult to beat. So I never presumed myself to hold "authority on what is and what is not difficult."

You could've gone direct to the point and stated that you consider flashpoints to be completely game mechanics without any connection to the story at all. I'm going to disagree with you, especially if the closest material to a "canon" we've states otherwise.

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