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Originally posted by Surtur
You said impale. Why would he be able to impale Superman? He doesn't have anything strong enough to impale him with. He's far more durable than Apocalypse.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
With metals. If Doomsday was able to pierce Superman why wouldn't Magneto?

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Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Ugh possibly because Superman was carrying a giant spear made of Kryptonite?

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And? I dont recall kryptonite somehow reducing Superman's skin density.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'm pretty sure kryptonite weakens his durability, lol. We don't know the specific mechanism (in the comics it would weaken his s-shield) but it seems pretty obviously the case.

That's my issue with buying that Apoc and co. can win - they have no realistic pathway to hurting him, even if we assume they can somehow tag him.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
As you yourself claimed. You dont know the exact mechanism. So isnt like Superman's skin is invulnerable

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Magneto was ablee to influence the metal at a planetary level

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JL Superman dies the moment Apoc reduces his speed.

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Magneto would crush Superman with all that metal.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sure, Superman isn't invulnerable, but he can lolnope conventional weaponry and survive a nuke so I'm not sure how scrap metal or sand are going to hurt him.



Yeah but he can't concentrate that meaningfully for this fight - against Apoc he was only able to fling a bunch of nearby metal at him at high speeds, but he wasn't doing anything on a planetary level of power.



How does Apoc "reduce his speed"? He caught QS with like a root or something, that's not going to do jack against Superman.



How?

1. How does he hit Superman?
2. How does he hurt Superman with a bunch of flying metal debris?

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Originally posted by Surtur
This is a stomp for Supes lol. To suggest his getting shanked when kryptonite was in play has any bearing on this is insane.

Kryptonite weakens him, period.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
So they have to do two things* to hurt Superman:

1. Catch him (how? Root or not that thing Apoc used on QS wouldn't do jack to Supes).

2. Hurt him (how? Doomsday rivals Superman in strength, a bunch of flying debris doesn't, and not sure if just having more of it would change anything).

* Of course we're conveniently ignoring the fact that Superman can attack too.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. What makes you think it wouldn't?

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2. Lol. A bunch of large metal debris moving at high speed you mean.

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If we apply science, add the weigh of such metals plus the speed....The amount of force being applied certainly would rival that of a punch from Doomsday.

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Plus, you are ignoring the fact that the Metals could possibly harm Superman.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
the only non-kryptonite thing to really hurt him was a f*cking nuclear bomb.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Battle starts in the middle of Times Square.

- no civilians
- bloodlusted
- aware of each other's abilities
- Apoc and Magneto start with shields up
- No telepathy

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Superman flies at hypersonic speeds, casually lifts up office buildings, casually flies through missiles and casually flies through skyscrapers. Sand and soil are going to noticeably slow him?

Mind you, since Superman will be flying Apoc can't just blindside him with something sticking out from the ground, if he tries to fling sand at Supes, the sand will literally look like they're suspended in the air to him. There's no evidence Apoc can hurl that sand at like mach 1000 either.



Yes. See above.



Well two can play this game: by flying at the hypersonic speeds he does in MoS etc. Superman is tanking more force from sheer air resistance, and certainly when he then casually flies through steel structures, etc.

But Superman, Doomsday, etc.'s punches and whatever don't seem to scale that way, or else there's no way Supes could lift structures that heavy without the ground collapsing.



How are metals going to harm Superman? Missiles do nothing to him, physical impacts do nothing to him, the only non-kryptonite thing to really hurt him was a f*cking nuclear bomb.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohhhh Yes!!!!



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They are in time's square which means that they are on Earth.

Magneto has control over metal all over the world. Which includes Nukes.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol good luck finding and then tagging with nukes a massively hypersonic guy to whom you look like a statue.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
There's no evidence that Apoc's TK can overpower Superman, it certainly hasn't ever stopped anyone close to his strength and speed before.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Much like Magneto, it isn't clear that his pyramid creating TK can just be focused on a single person, given that he noticeably fails to do this against the likes of Beast, etc. In either case, Superman can fly at hypersonic speeds and easily lift that much too, soooo...