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Jedi Academy Luke vs. Exar Kun.
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carthage
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Kun and it’s a stomp


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Can we get some quotes for these objective sources saying Luke is better, or Kun is better?

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Not until Ant stomps Ell, I'm afraid. Though Kun > JA Luke will hardly be the biggest revelation.


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The Ellimist
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Not until Ant stomps Ell, I'm afraid. Though Kun > JA Luke will hardly be the biggest revelation.


You're right, the biggest revelation is SF Malak >>> Kun smile


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Which is debunked by Kun >> Vitiate >> Revan >> SF!Malak. thumb up laughing out loud


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Which is debunked by the fact that Kun being the "darkest power in the galaxy" is actually a much older quote than Malak on the SF being > him. It's been retconned. smile


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Which is debunked by the fact that Kun being the "darkest power in the galaxy" is actually a much older quote than Malak on the SF being > him. It's been retconned. smile


The complete SW encyclopaedia states that Kun was :

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Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he [Exar Kun] was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire.

- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia


This quote came out in 2008

The Malak Quote came out in 2003

Unless Post Nathema Vititate isn't a sith, in which case sidious doesn't get guaranteed scaling over him.

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Once yes, but then Malak surpassed him. smile smile smile


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If the text is to be believed, yes. (in the star forge)

But Kun being the darkest power in the Galaxy, at his time, (entities aside) isn't retconned. That was the point.


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Myth clearly on something LSDMB gave him. Kun being more powerful than Vitiate, prior to considerable and faster power growth via the dark holocron, completely shits all over the idea that Malak was ever even close to surpassing Kun. A weakened version of an inferior incarnation of the Revan who Vitiate-who at the most generous/conservative estimate may have caught up with Exar Kun in his prime-, one-shotted in an actual raw power exchange, could still defeat him after being given all of the advantages he could've wanted.


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Which is debunked by Kun >> Vitiate >> Revan >> SF!Malak. thumb up laughing out loud


Damn so I guess Ant isn't going to stomp me. sad


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Myth clearly on something LSDMB gave him. Kun being more powerful than Vitiate, prior to considerable and faster power growth via the dark holocron, completely shits all over the idea that Malak was ever even close to surpassing Kun. A weakened version of an inferior incarnation of the Revan who Vitiate-who at the most generous/conservative estimate may have caught up with Exar Kun in his prime-, one-shotted in an actual raw power exchange, could still defeat him after being given all of the advantages he could've wanted.


This is actually pretty convincing.

When you consider the general rule of growth/plateaus, it doesn't make much sense that having spent a thousand years undercover after the nathema ritual, Vitatiate goes from being weaker than Kun to much much stronger in the last hundred. And all this has to magically align itself because of a single quote claiming SF is far more powerful than either Kun or Nadd.

More to the fact, I bet you if someone asked Leeland Chee on twitter if that blog quote could be considered subjective, he would say that it was.

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I don't think Kun's quote applies to Vitiate. Vitiate didn't exist when that line was written.


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Myth clearly on something LSDMB gave him.


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Which is debunked by the fact that Kun being the "darkest power in the galaxy" is actually a much older quote than Malak on the SF being > him. It's been retconned. smile


And yet, the Sheev brigade never uses this kind of thinking when it comes about their precious OT characters. Happy Dance smile


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Vitiate was a concealed threat at the time of Exar Kun.

Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia = perspective of historians.

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It has nothing to do with him being a concealed threat, and everything to do with him being created after the quote was published. Just like the quote that claims Darth Sidious was a more powerful dark side expression than Abeloth.


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Vitiate was a concealed threat at the time of Exar Kun.

Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia = perspective of historians.


The Complete Encyclopaedia was indeed an in-universe source.

But it's and in-universe omniscient publication. That's arguably more credible than just out of universe sources.

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Characters cannot be omniscient.


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Does anyone have an argument for Kun that isn't based on trainee Corran Horn and trainee/manipulated Kyp Durron's opinions?


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