I read DarthAnt's attempt to debunk the feat. Doesn't fly... And some of the other stuff I've seen posted here is outright misleading.
Yoda had no 'help' when he stopped the mountain-creature dead in its tracks and flung it to the ground initially(said 'help' came shortly afterward.). The planet was never stated to be a nexus. Yoda DID, however, experience a moment of 'unity' with the force.
First instance he was likely fatigued as a corollary of fighting the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Second instance was hardly a 'struggle', but I digress...
Anywho, the feat was certainly an outlier -- I'm certainly not saying otherwise. Still happened canonically, though, which is all I ever said.
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No, that wasn't it. The stones were "alive" and initally reristed Yoda making tk impossible for him. Yoda then connected to the stones and essentially turned them from foe to friend. So, he connected to the stone, the mountain off course, being made of said stone.
Indeed I can, but the crux of the argument comes down to the information in my last post.
Indeed the planet was alive(in a manner of speaking), but it was explicitly stated that Yoda was using the Force to initially stop the mountain creature and hurl it backwards, while simultaneously incapacitating the evildoers in his vicinity... Ergo this bit of dialogue as Yoda was preforming the aforementioned feats: (please log in to view the image)
And again, the planet itself was never stated to be some sort of nexus that was explicitly amping Yoda or w/e. If you read the story itself without embellishing, it's clear that Yoda experienced a moment of unity with the Force itself by digging deep(the mountain creature was stated to be the most powerful foe he'd ever met up to that point, after all), which allowed him to stop the creature.
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I've read the comics numerous times, and don't remember that being stated.
Was a source ever given for this, or are people just embellishing? Because the mountain creature NEVER became Yoda's 'friend', lol -- it wanted to fuggin kill him.
That was bad phrasing. Yoda learnt how to harness the power within the stones.
You might recall when he meditated and started collecting with the stones?
I don't have the scans on me, it's been a while.
Right, but this is before Yoda meditates and connects to the stones. At the point of the story you're highlighting, Yoda didn't realize the nature of the stones and was simply trying to overwhelm them with brute force.
No, the text I posted was literally stated just as Yoda stopped the mountain and pushed it back. That's why it's relevant. He used the Force to accomplish the feat.
Yoda learned how to connect with the stones, yes(just as every Padawan must learn to connect with their environment ala the Force)... but unique as they were, the stones were still of the Force(Yoda explicitly stated such.) IOW, the mountain being esoteric by nature doesn't mean Yoda wasn't using TK there. He undoubtedly was.
The feat itself is definitely an outlier that came as a corollary of Yoda's moment of unity with the Force... It's still canon, though, and that's my only point. .
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Uh. yeah. him using the force doesn't make clear [i[how[/i] he used it. That proves nothing.
Yoda already knew how to use the force, he wasn't learning how to use the force again, he was learning how to use the force in a specific way.
That means nothing. Nexuses are of the force, artifacts are of the force, they still allow users to do things they otherwise wouldn't do. Yoda originalty couldn't do anything with the rocks, then he connected with the rocks and was suddenly able to do something we cleary are shown he otherwise can't do.
Something failing to disprove a claim isn't the same as proving a claim.
1.) Yoda was never stated to be amped by any outside sources/nexuses/artifacts. Ever.
2.) Yoda experienced a moment of unity with the Force by digging deep within himself -- and *that* is what allowed him to stop the mountain. Clearly stated on panel.
3.) Yes, Yoda 'connected' with the stones, but like I have reiterated: the stones(like nearly everything else in the SW-verse) are still of the Force. Once Yoda learned how to connect with them, he was able to move/manipulate/influence them with the Force... Cuz he's fcuking Yoda. There is literally no reason at all to assume he was using anything but his own TK in that instance.
If you don't think that proves anything, this 'debate' will clearly go nowhere.
...But lets try this a different way: if you disagree with me, please provide some actual evidence(not just personal conjecture) to the contrary. I'll wait.
Proving a possibilty, is not quite the same as proving something happened. So far you've stated conditions that make Yoda using tking possible, not likely.
You don't have anything to support your claim other than logical inference. so you're in no position to tell me logical inference isn't a valid form of proof.
There's two possibilities here
A. Yoda used his connection to the rocks
B. Yoda grew exponentially more powerful in a few hours
The first possibility makes sense as a key part of the comic comes from yoda connecting to the rocks and such a step was considered a necessary prerequisite by Yoda's teacher for Yoda to start using the objects. A general theme thoughout the comic is how the children were disprespecting the mountains by using them as weapons, rather than connecting to them as life. So why would Yoda be shown doing the same thing as the children? The first possibility makes both logical, and thematic sense.
The second possibilty has no precedent. We've never seen Yoda grow at such an exponential rate, further more it doesn't thematically fit as well as the first possibly does.
Considering that, the first possibility is the more likely one.
If you want to counter that, you're going to need to
A. provide proof that Yoda used TK.
B. Explain why possibility b is more logical than possibility A.
Simply saying "Yoda used the force!" means nothing as both possibilities have Yoda using the force. Saying that the rocks are part of the force again, means nothing, as both possibilities work with that fact. Why should we assume it was tk?
People forget that Yoda was on a massive dark side nexus when he performed that poor performance TK feat with the ship(he also could only use a fraction of power to not be detected by darksiders)
So, he was also hindered and only used minimum of his power.
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I asked you to provide actual evidence from the comics themselves, not just your own personal conjecture. Instead you provided your own personal conjecture, instead of actual evidence from the comics themselves.
No offense, but there's really no reason to entertain these embellished red herrings you've provided, tbh.
Eh, outliers typically don't have any sort of precedent... They just happen spontaneously in the heat of the moment. That's why they're called 'outliers'.
Because not one shred of evidence points to it being anything but Yoda preforming a massive TK feat thanks to a moment of unity with the Force. Hence.The.Explicit.Dialogue.
...That's why.
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"Well, the other question here is whether Yoda's performance is repeatable or performed in some sort of outlier mental state."
...Hence why I responded with some of my previous posts, so that you knew MY opinion on the matter.
Of course the feat is an outlier -- I certainly never implied that Yoda can run around throwing mountains all over the place, lol. I only brought up the feat in the first place because it is *the* best TK feat in canon. Nothing more, nothing less.
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