Yeah, the Primal Monitor was typically referred to as "Monitor-Mind", "OverVOID", or just "Monitor".
We also know the "OverMONITOR" in Metal was intended to be the original Monitor(ala COIE), because he is evidently Anti-Monitor's equal/opposite, and embodied all the positive matter in the multiverse.
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pretty impossible to place imo. in his universe he seemed to be more powerful--maybe more powerful than anyone else COULD be in his realm. but he def seemed less than awesome in the regular universe. for some reason i just assumed the chains that bound him were 10th metal. to me, element x was the coolest talking point. it allowed the users to do anything that was "possible". the implications of that and the power implied is....staggering tbh.
the whole thing was such a sh!t show though it's hard to figure out anything with any real confidence.
That's what I thought at first too, but then I looked at the panel again and the chains didn't appear to have that trademark 'glow' the 10th metal had. /shrug
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maybe we'll see in the future. anyway, barbatos seemed to have some metatextual abilities in the dark multiverse. he seemed capable of fashioning nightmares from stories that he told. not sure if, in the dark multiverse, anyone would be capable of breaking free of those stories. i mean he literally broke batman's will. i don't THINK that has ever been done before....?
in the reg universe he didn't seem to be anything beyond the fairly typical big bad cosmic level villain similar to (insert cosmic baddie).
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it's hard to say, really. i mean was he directly responsible for the burning of the library in the dreaming? that would mean multiversal scope (no surprise there) if we attribute that to him. we know in his aspect as the dragon, he had the power to destroy worlds (READ: universes) that were considered failures, and that the forger, whom he killed, had the power to create universes, some of which took shape in the positive mulitverse. he was mentioned as part of the trinity that also included the monitor and AM, so that's another indication. he is at least on par with them, but there was also a scene (with morrison's map) that indicated the DM was far and away larger than the positive matter multiverse.
that would seem to imply his power>monitor or AM, since they were exact equals. so maybe in the DM his power IS greater than even what they could reach? i could never figure out if this scene was intended to show intellectron fleeing from the carrier, or chasing the thule:
if one of the gentry is running from barbatos' power, that is a pretty impressive feat as well, but seemed pretty ambiguous. i dunno. we had loads of hype, but not a ton of substance it felt like. i'd wager that very few could walk into the DM and defeat him, but take him out of the DM and he seems....very much less.
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certainly could be seen that way. the only reason i bring it up is because joker bats comments that the multiverse was recoiling in terror at barbatos' scream:
def a weak connection, but an odd cameo if he was placed in there for essentially no reason. could have been there simply to show the scope of events in the series i guess.
there was also that scene where it was implied the AM's brain might destroy the DM, but we don't know the impact that would have had. kendra said that carter warned them NOT to do that, so it's possible firing the brain would only have somehow done even more damage. could carter have warned them not to do it because it would have helped the DM? again, loads of tantalizing little ideas played with, but so scattered and unformed as to be almost meaningless in the end.
In all honesty, I just think a few members of the Gentry were depicted in that panel, solely because Morrison helped write that specific issue.
Same reason the Ultima Thule and Stubbs also randomly happened to make appearances in the same issue... Same reason the concept of 'Anti-Music' entered the fray in that book as well. /shrug
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you may well be right. if that's the case, seems pretty random but again, maybe just speaks to the scope of the story. not sure there is a good solid way to evaluate barbatos' level beyond say monitor/AM. /shrug
Barbatos had a lot of hype but his feats were somewhat unremarkable. We also don't know the context of how he beat the forger, the only noteworthy being he beat. Could have been anything really. So i don't see any reason to rank him on par with AM either.
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