It alters gravity and it's a beam. What else would you call it?
Superman had trouble standing under it, never mind flying. It was clearly exerting tremendous force on him. On top of that the impact of the beam had created a crater with shit flying all over the place.
Prove that is was more durable than the world engine.
Why are you trolling? We clearly see the beam crushing cars (flattening them upon contact). We clearly see Superman struggle trying to stand up in the beam. And Superman was weaker. Why did you ignore that?
Why do you think someone going through tissue paper automatically means they are stronger and more durable than Superman?
To be fair, Superman was no-selling Wonder Woman, Cyborg, and Aquaman's attempt to overpower him earlier in the scene. He wasn't hurt when WW hit him, he just looked annoyed.
You certainly don't call it a "gravity beam", as the movie never called it that nor does a "gravity beam" a thing under human terms.
Furthermore, if you are right and there is a massive amount of force being applied on Superman, the floor beneath Superman should have collapsed, which it didn't .
So, either there is no force or not as much as you are pretending there to be.
Even if you are right and Superman was withstanding massive forces, it would still pale in comparison to CM flying through a Black Hole
2) Also CM resisted a headbutt using a force field. She never delivered one. It's possible she wouldn't be even able to effect Superman at all.
3) And Superman >>>>>Thanos. Her resisting Thanos doesn't mean she will resist Superman.
Prove that CM flew through an event horizon.
And flying through the event horizon is a shitty feat if you are traveling faster than light speed (which is the escape velocity). It's not as if you flew through the singularity.
1) That doesn't mean that Thanos can headbutt harder than her. Diana rocking back Superman is a strength feat, given Superman's durability feats. Therefore it can be argued that she is stronger than Thanos from that mere feat. Diana headbutt had speed and strength behind it. It created a Shockwave.
2) Durability with a force field =/= strength to headbutt someone.
You have to prove that she can significantly effect Superman with a headbutt.
3) Superman's strength feats >>>>>>>>>Thanos. Therefore he is stronger.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Good ole Silent. Only comes to threads to criticize and nitpick arguments against characters facing Marvel characters. Hardly ever does he actually debate a side of the thread. Troll at the highest level.
1. Why isn't Diana's headbutt a strength feat? Thanos headbutt to Thor appeared weaker than Diana's. You are basing Thanos strength feats off characters he fought (since he has no lifting feats). If so then Why can't Diana's headbutt be based off Superman's durability feats?
2. Again you haven't shown that CM would effect Superman with a headbutt. Giving opinions that reasonable others don't agree with is not evidence.
3. Wrong! Superman is stronger than Hulk period. Superman is more durable too. Plus Thanos hit Hulk in many pressure sensitive areas.
1. Is easily answerable. Because Thanos defeated and overpowered characters like Hulk and Thor, so we can easily say he's stronger than them and can replicate their strength feats and more. WW never overpowered or defeated Superman, so it's very difficult to quantify just how strong she is based on that headbutt. We can use her tank lifting feat to quantify her strength, but that still makes her weaker than Hulk.
But you do know about fiction inconsistency right?
1. Weaker characters can and have struck harder than stronger characters.
2. Characters have highs and lows. For example, a character can have a million ton feat (supergirl) and perform under 200 tons on average. So someone overpowering supergirl in one scene doesn't mean they too can lift a million tons. It's just means that they are stronger than her average and everything else is fiction inconsistency.
Therefore Stronger characters don't get weaker character's top feats. Thanos is stronger than average Hulk. Thanos can't leap like the Hulk because his legs aren't as strong. Striking and lifting, although positively correlated, are different. As others pointed out, an expert and experienced fighter can strike harder than someone who is both a lot stronger and has little to no fighting experience (a bodybuilder for example).
In other words, Thanos being stronger than the Hulk does not mean he can headbutt harder than WW. Visually WW headbutts harder.
Lastly you are giving Thanos strength due to the people he fought. Well WW headbutt Superman and rocked his head back. Given Superman's feats then that is a strength feat well beyond lifting a tank. So you should judge WW's strength off that and not other feats.
In regards to the million tons, I do hope you're not talking about the key feat.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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