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I got one. Is Ultron actually Pym? Cuz it's literally his brain engrams. And it's actually fully autonomous. By your logic Ultron is more Pym than TR is Clark and therefore composite Pym includes Ultron

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Neither isGuy Gardner his ring, or Quasar his Negabands, it Tony his armour.

So in future threads, if people ask for most powerful versions of Tony, they'd better not name armours lmao, unless it's like Extremis or something.

And if I ask for most powerful versions of Thor, it better not be Thor with any equipment lol.

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I got one. Is Ultron actually Pym? Cuz it's literally his brain engrams. And it's actually fully autonomous. By your logic Ultron is more Pym than TR is Clark and therefore composite Pym includes Ultron

No, Ultron isn't Pym because Ultron is fully autonomous, like you said

But yes, we DO include Pymtron in our versions of Pym...

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TR is NOT at ALL Superman. You drive a car. Is the car YOU? Supes isn't even the creator of the armor or even the sole energy powering it. It's like a goddamn mecha driven by consciousness rather than joysticks. It's a thing. An object. A weapon. It is NOT Clark Kent/Kal-El and therefore not Superman and not actually a factor in composite Superman.

If you making a thread asking which version of hal is the most powerful, I'm sure Hal w Krona's Power Gauntlet will be there. smile

It only used once by Superman and it essence was superman stories. IOW, Only belong to superman

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DC says it's an object. So it is. And an object cannot be a version of a being. Amazo isn't an object because he posseses his own consciousness.

Can TR exist without Ultra Man? Nope. So it isn't Superman. It's a cosmic weapon powered by two beings

Controlling a robot isn't a version of a character. It's someone controlling a robot. Period. And it's actually two characters, so....

Jan 31st, 2020 06:14 PM

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Thor and Mjolnir are actually two separate entities (Mother Storm and Thor).

In future, all Thor versions must not have Mjolnir.

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No, Ultron isn't Pym because Ultron is fully autonomous, like you said

But yes, we DO include Pymtron in our versions of Pym...

Thats ONLY because they recently became one

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Thats ONLY because they recently became one

Yeah, exactly.

Otherwise we don't.

Because Ultron is FULLY autonomous. The TR isn't.

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Yeah, exactly.

Otherwise we don't.

Because Ultron is FULLY autonomous. The TR isn't.

and TR still ISN'T Superman. it's not a version of superman, Its it's own character, even the monitors call him a robot

EXPLAINED right here. ONLY infused with their essence ....it is in fact not Superman. Literally a damn weapon lmao

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its NOT a form of the character. That's the point.
Sinestro and Hal's actual being were part of those fusions. It has nothing to do with Ultraman being g a part of the equation. It's that a machine isnt Superman. The Destroyer armor isnt composite whoever's energy empowered it. Not unless they physically inhabited the armor. Cant just slap an S on a robot and call it Superman...

Jan 31st, 2020 06:27 PM

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Really feels like people are just splitting hairs for no real reason, tbh.

It's a suit of armour Superman wore to fight Mandrakk. Just like Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne or Hal Jordan or Rhodey wears a suit of armour/piece of equipment to do battle. I'm not seeing the issue here.

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This issue is named Alberto

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If Thanos has the IG, apparently he's not a version of Thanos....

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If Thanos has the IG, apparently he's not a version of Thanos....

lol what? Because ITS Thanos with gems not thanos and Adam Warlock and the gems.

Jan 31st, 2020 06:43 PM

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It was Jor-El and Lara, not Dax Novu, that made Superman....never understand why this is a hard concept to grasp.

Jan 31st, 2020 06:45 PM

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Gauntlet =/= completely different entity.
More accurate comparison would be Odin in Destroyer armor

Jan 31st, 2020 06:47 PM

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Really feels like people are just splitting hairs for no real reason, tbh.

It's a suit of armour Superman wore to fight Mandrakk. Just like Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne or Hal Jordan or Rhodey wears a suit of armour/piece of equipment to do battle. I'm not seeing the issue here.

Basically.

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Really feels like people are just splitting hairs for no real reason, tbh.

It's a suit of armour Superman wore to fight Mandrakk. Just like Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne or Hal Jordan or Rhodey wears a suit of armour/piece of equipment to do battle. I'm not seeing the issue here.

Except he wasn't in it though

Jan 31st, 2020 06:58 PM

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Except he wasn't in it though

Like I said: Splitting hairs.

The result of combining Superman/Ultraman is controlled by Superman, being the dominant personality. He's in the driving seat.

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Neither isGuy Gardner his ring, or Quasar his Negabands, it Tony his armour.

So in future threads, if people ask for most powerful versions of Tony, they'd better not name armours lmao, unless it's like Extremis or something.

And if I ask for most powerful versions of Thor, it better not be Thor with any equipment lol.

I think this is a stretch, because ideally a better question would be which is the most powerful armour for Tony or Superman in Kryptonian battle armour vs Lobo etc. The version of armour is Iron Man, not usually Tony, hence others have been Iron Man, bar mind control, alternate realities and body Swap Kal El is Superman.

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