Characters operate at different levels at different times. That's why abc logic is faulty.
Odin has operated at or below high Herald before. Galactus has operated below trans before. Superman has operated above skyfather before.
Thor koed Mangog before with one blow to the stomach.
Mangog got killed by the Sun.
You want to use Mangog at his most powerful? Fine. We do the same thing for Superman. How powerful was Odin when Mangog operated? I remember an arc where Odin and Asgardians were portrayed as weak as humans (dying from falling several feet off bridges and horses, Thor being koed by falling off Mangogs back, etc).
No one on Asgard, not even Odin at his best, is even close to Superman in physical strength and speed. If you disagree then again I can post strength feats proving it. When Mangog fought Thor all those times, Mangog was only a few times stronger than Thor at the most (I have proof).
I can prove that your stance isn't sound.
Basically you are saying that there is no amount of strength Superman can have that would make him beat Mangog. That implies Mangog can withstand infinite force. If you disagree then you have to agree that there is a certain quantifiable strength that can put Mangog down.
If that's so, then how much strength do you think? Able to lift a planet? 10 planets? A thousand planets? A million? A billion? What amount?
Jane kicks Mangogs tail, and she couldn't even handle that jobber Gladiator.
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She injured him. There's no argument Superman >>>>> any standard Thor, he'd tear Mangog apart as easily as he'd rip Odinson and Jane in half.
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If where talking about standard vs standard Supes looses the majority. I said in order for Superman to stand a chance he would have to be at his strongest and even that would be debatable, fighting Mangog or Odin. Mangog strength is unlimited and fued by a billion billion souls of hatred, and Odin can magically enhanced his as well as speed. So once again Superman would have to be at his strongest level to at least stand a chance. Anything less he will loose almost all the time. What he relies on in most battles to win is his superiority. In this fight basic vs basic he's not the superior one.
Why not? You feat share on Doomaday well enough ignoring his long list of trans and Skyfather level bodies because Superman killed him.
The Radiant, a Guardian, and Darkseid among them.
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who else always says that Superman is one of his favorite characters and then votes against him every time? Galan should run an up check and see if this guy’s up matches that other guy that forgot his password and made a similar name after that scrub wrestler.