Mod rulings. If the heralds can't match Flash's speed (Barry/Wally), then they lose. Comics being full of PIS doesn't mean anything. I agree, comics are consistently full of PIS.
Edit: we can twist it around.
Captain Cold consistently does well against Flash, right? All the Rogues do.
So what happens when they get to Marvel? Do they solo the MU?
Walk this through with me:
1. Wally is faster than Death, faster than light, faster than speed, right? Y/N?
2. He consistently doesn't do well against JLA opponents, right? Y/N?
3. Therefore, these JLA opponents are.....faster than Death, faster than light, faster than speed too? Y/N?
Because if your answer to 3 is 'NO', then how do they win? Does Flash let himself get punched? Does he like it? Are all these opponents durable enough to withstand multiple IMPs?
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Last edited by DarkSaint85 on Mar 15th, 2024 at 08:49 PM
They literally explain that Flash's city is a no-go for supervillains: (please log in to view the image)
And just last year there was an entire storyline where the entire Earth (yes, including Superman etc) were all too slow to fight - apart from the Flash family.
Who said anything about average consistency? You yourself argued Rhino showings as a consistency for the character. You've done this with a number of characters. Flash is NOT Anti Monitor level. Superboy Prime, Monarch and a number of others who is below Anti Monitor would work Flash.
Anyways, the scans you posted, Flash bfred them. Nice showing but i stand by what I said.
2. Hitting a Herald with the mass of a white dwarf isn't a viable tactic?
Could any of the heralds tank (without being at least koed) one punch moving at insane speed combined with the mass of a white dwarf in the small size of a human fist? Let's not even compute the pressure and kinetic energy from such a punch.
If so give me a feat that proves it.
Going intangible isn't a viable tactic (not that flash needs to, read below)
Or most importantly
Seeing all the heralds frozen for hundreds of years is not a viable tactic?
Lastly the rules assumed that flash NEVER clocked anyone in the first millisecond of the comic when it stated that Flash is allowed to because he possesses that level of speed.
So flash possess the level of speed to statue the heralds for years, and increase his mass to a white dwarf star and above.
Dude the scans that both of you posted are equally valid. It shows that both sides are vulnerable. Power Cosmic can shut off a person's ability to even have a power.
His scans are not valid to the rules of FULL Capacity.
Flash using the IMP is a viable tactic. Flash has shown that he can increase his mass up to white dwarf star level and beyond.
Flash perceiving the heralds as frozen statues is a viable tactic. Flash has established attosecond perception. 1 attosecond to a 1 second is like 1 second is to 31 billion years. If the heralds have nanosecond perception (being generous towards them) then 1 nanosecond to them is like 31 years to Flash. So the heralds will be frozen the entire fight.
Flash stealing speed is a viable tactic. Flash has demonstrated this multiple times.
Although the following is irrelevant to the fight due to the above but are you saying that Surfer can shut off Thor's, Thanos, Darkseid, Odins, Elders,Celestial, etc power?
Well if someone withstood the mass of a white dwarf traveling at insane speed in the size of a human fist then that's impressive for that character. They get that feat, no one else does.
Zoom slows time down. So flash is not moving at relativistic speeds to him
It doesn't take away from what I said though.
Flash CAN increase his mass up to a white dwarf star and reserves that option if he needs to. He has 31 years of hitting a frozen statue to figure it out.
Flash has used it twice and 2 weaklings survived it.
Nothing in the Zoom scene did not mention Zoom not withstanding the full punching power of that attack. Its overrated and I need you to show something proving it working against Surfer.
Do you know how it works? It's based off the theory of relativity.
You have to be moving at a certain speed RELATIVE to another. If Zoom is moving near the speed that Flash is moving then Zoom will experience a small effect (or none at all).
Assuming Zoom experienced the total mass of a white dwarf then that would be a durability feat for him.
No one else gets that feat.
Zoom has been knocked out before by a number of people, and Zoom isn't the only person to withstand the attack. Also, you're applying real world logic to a comic book when we both know that's not how comics work.
So either Zoom withstood the mass of a white dwarf or he didn't. Either way destroys your argument.
P1. Zoom tanked the force of a white dwarf.
Conclusion: Zoom gets a durability feat. No one else gets his feat unless they achieved the same thing or greater.
P2. Zoom didn't tank the mass of a white dwarf.
Conclusion: Doesnt change the fact that Flash has the ability to increase his mass up to white dwarf level in a forum fight.He will have over 31 years to figure it out.