Deadpool has every time been out fought. Logan always shown as the superior in skill.
Logan lost once to a taxed out healing factor
Logan lost another time to a plot devices, but prior to the plot devices Logan was defeating DP.
Why not it a debate, don’t say shit unless you can back it. I can back what I am saying, why can’t you?
If that what you have been trying to show you have been doing a bad job.
Logan not a HUMAN is a MUTANT. He has superhuman physical abilities. He never been human. He superhuman physically in every area. He see’s bullets in slow motion. Man you really need to brush up on your wolverine.
Hahahaahha pleases don’t spout crap.
DP straight up been on the losing end to wolverine, if, cable ect.
And DP hardly ever wins due to skill.
Shang-chi got defeat by Logan in 5 pannels……….yea like I said DP not as skilled as wolverine.
Lol that’s a cop out.
The only abiliy DP has that better then Logan is a healing factor. Logan as good if not better in ever other aspect.
Shang Chi is Marvel's best fighter? Since when? Logan took Chi down in a few moves by the way. And as has been pointed out to you, Logan has taken down DP in a straight up fight MANY times.
HONESTLY MAN - if you're going to argue, use facts.
Not sure why you believe Wolverine won everytime he met Deadpool in a battle, other than one instance when he had no adamantium skeleton. If thats what you want to believe, i'll leave you to it.
You need to stop out right disregarding deadpools abilities. you say deadpool hardly ever wins due to skill, yet he is always winning. Obviously he has some kind of skill. I'm sure it takes some skill to beat, the punisher, taskmaster, iron fist, sabretooth, Rhino, Cable, Bullseye, Juggernaut, Goliath...,thats all i can think of at the moment, but there are many many others. Yeah, i suppose he has no skill. I guess also considering that deadpool is immortal, has enhanced strength, reflexes and strength beyond the natural capacity of a human body, has a multitude of weapons and gadgets, one being a device that allows him to teleport short distances show just how little skill he has. He is master at hand to hand fighting whether you want to admit or not. WOlverine is mutant, but his only mutant abilities are a natural healing factor and enhanced senses. He does not have superhuman strength, making it highly plausible that his heavy skeleton slows him down. Other than when in Beserker rages, Wolverine has never been known for his speed.
I have not been stating anything that i have not been backing up. Deadpool can regenerate limbs within seconds, Wolverine can't. If you truly want me to prove this to you with official marvel sites, i will. It wasn't until recently, over the past ten years that Wolverine has started showing healing abilities closer to dead pools level. His increased stamina, teleportation device, hyper regeneration and immortality just seem like things that wolverine cannot overcome. His immortality alone proves that Wolverine could never entirely beat deadpool.
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i'm using as much fact as you. I have read the comics and have always seen deadpool come out in the majority.
Shang chi has been acknowledged several times to be marvels top hand to hand combatant. I guess there is no official top dog, but considering that he has been acknowledged as being so several times and has mastered all known martial arts. I guess it's opinion close enough to being a fact in a position that is factless.
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Yet he clearly HAS beaten DP on several occasions. This is WELL-DOCUMENTED. For the last time, go read the recent Origins arc - Wolverine beats the crap out of Deadpool so many times it makes me laugh.
Your speculation as to whether or not is pointless since it's already established in Cannon that it can happen and has.
What has been established in cannon, that Wolverine can beat deadpool?
If so, it's also been established that deadpool can beat Wolverine, yet some people here choose to not acknowledge that. That is either evidence of some unkown level of fanboyism or just disregard
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Dude, everyone knows that DP CAN beat Wolverine. It's just that in the majority of cases, he hasn't. Also, in the very same issue you scanned from, DP RUNS AWAY from a second fight with Logan after Logan heals from being stabbed in the heart and lungs. Tell me, why did DP run away in Wolverine 88?
Im not disregarding his abilities. He not always winning. Superman wins a lot and I assure you it not becuases of skill.
Never said he did not, but he not as skilled as capt or wolverine………..
………Bulleye slit his throat twices and never lost to DP………nor did IF……..nor did juggernaut………..and I don’t recall punisher or cable or sabertooth ever losing to him either………..did you just straight up lie? Becuases I know for a fact he never ebat some of thoses characters you mention and Im pretty sure about the others………
How does any of thoses abilities make you skill full? You do realies fighting skill has nothing to do with your physical abilties nor devices……….also it a body slide not teleportation of shot distances.
……….never said he was not. I said he not as skilled as wolverine or captain America.
……..tell that to the writers.
Weapon x noval states he has superhuman strength, speed and reflexes.
Marvel vs DC under his bio states this.
Hulk ultimate guide states this.
Countless comic back this up. His feats back this up. Your simply ignorant of the character.
You have not backed up a dam thing you have said……..uve been talking out your ass the entire time……..
………don’t be an idiot. Online sources suck, any one can write them. Uses comic evidences or don’t bother.
DP healing factor was derived from Logan…………
First of all Logan has superior stamina feats. Teleportation devices? You mean the body slide which has never been sued and combat and can’t………..
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Logan has over come them before……….there no reason he can’t again.
Do you like read the forum rules at all? You do realizes that a KO is a win. He does not need to kill him to beat him wtf don’t you understand.
You have to have metahuman speed to be able to dodge bullets point blank. He has done this countless of times. I'm not just talking reflexes, I'm talking actual speed. He jumped through a 20-foot roof in order to avoid being hit with Yakuza bullets. I would say that since his legs possess that kind of strength, then logic dictates that he must also possess speed beyond that of a normal human.
No it didn't.. it proved that a bullet TO THE BRAIN could put Wolverine down when multitudes of other attempts and damage failed.
And that second example is a terrible "instance" to use seeing how Wolverine was treckin in the desert which effects his HF in the first place and was running on no food or sleep since Cyclops sent him out on the hunt.
And I think it'd been a good deal more than 150.
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So what's the deal with Daken anyway? He simply is where his opponent isn't looking? Unless he has some sort of mind-scrambling power similar to Cyber, I don't see how this is even possible. Magically ending up behind your opponent isn't something you can learn. There's no Kung Fu move that enables you just to wind up in a place where your opponent isn't looking for that split second. Besides, a power like this wouldn't be very effective against Logan since he can locate PEOPLE BY SCENT! Thus, I think that Daken probably has some sort of mind-altering ability or something of that nature...
If you can get a bullet into his brain it's effective, as it should be.
What Hammer has been arguing against is simply a point of semantics.
People see Wolverine downed by a bullet to the brain and thus come to the conclusion that bullets are a great way to deal with Wolverine.
The fact is that this simply isn't the case.
Bullets are by-enlarge innefective against Wolverine unless there's other harboring circumstances weighing him down like a taxed HF or something of the sort.
Bullets in his brain; obviously effective.
The problem is getting there in the first place.
The chances that one can successfully put a bullet in his brain are slim, very slim. And while he may have had a bad run in recent months with this issue look at the flip side of the coin...
One circumstance had him shot in a place where it's been shown in handbooks and on panel as impossible to penetrate. Even going by the human skeletal system it calls into question the feats validity.
Regardless of that, Scalphunter needed a distracted Wolverine for that to play out. Fair enough.
The other two circumstances had Wolverine after his healing factor had been pushed to the limit.
Against Deadpool, Wolverine wades through two explosions at the start, gets launched through windows, into a windshield, embedded into concrete, gets a piano dropped on him, bleeds out through the forearm with glass cuts, dragged behind an automobile with his head banging against the concrete, run over by a semi that caused yet another explosion/inferno, punched and kicked by DP, burnt by a lit up car, caught in the middle of another massive explosion, shot multiple times, and stabbed.. It was only after being shot through the brainpan that Logan went down.
Aside from that Wolverine had at least 6 clear oppurtunities to end the fight with DP but didn't take advantage of them (Of course due to the plotline now we know why) while Deadpool had been disarmed several times from all his weaponry in that fight.... And even with all this going for Wilson, he was still only to pull out the bullet to the brain as a last ditch effort, which now also due to the plotline may or may not have been precisely what Wolverine wanted him to do.
Mystique, she fought Logan after he'd been running around in the desert for weeks with no food or sleep, shot by hundreds of bullets, and then blown up with enough c-4 to fill up a passenger car seat and then shot with machine gun fire again, even with all THAT in her favor she had to rely on hiding a pistol and working on some CIS to draw Logan into position for the shot..
And both of these characters didn't fair to well anyways.. Both were KOed as a result of fighting Logan.
Can bullets work against Logan? If they enter his brain sure.
But saying that bullets are a great way to deal with Logan is a terrible statement backed by nothing more than wishful thinking and an ommission of pro-Wolverine events to the argument.
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Logan took 6 punches from WWH before he got knocked out, a shotgun blast to the head isn't going to work.
Wolverine disarmed Silver Samurai with no hesitation when SS impaled him through the heart. Balance certainly didn't seem to be an issue.
Deadpools a good fighter but he's nowhere near the class of Wolverine and every fight they've had proves that.
Wolverine's beaten immortals before...
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Besides, DP has faced similar situations in DP and Cable, yet never chickened out of that. Wolverine's not the type of character to let someone else fight his battles for him. He would have told the others to screw off had they tried to help him beat up pool. DP fans seem to have the same selective memory syndrome when it comes to the recent Origins arc. Oh, and every other time DP and Logan have fought of course.
It's funny how DP fans like to grasp for straws when trying to find and give evidence for DP's superiority to Logan. I mean, you can't go around saying that DP "outsmarted" and out-classed him strategically anymore since it's been revealed in the final issue that the exact opposite is true.
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