The only skill I can even think of is like what Storm Shadow pulled in a GIJOE book, moving around in a mans blind spot effectively becoming invisable to him their entire fight.
Perhaps Wolverine's inability to track him by scent has to do with tricks he also picked up from the master. Sabretooth played a game of cat and mouse with Logan in a city once where Logan couldn't smell, or see Sabretooth, yet Sabes got close enough to blow out his match, when Logan turned around there was no one there that he could see. Or perhaps they have the same scent being kin?
I think it's most likely however a mind trick he picked up being a student of Cybers, that seems to make the most sense at the moment to me at least.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
When did this cat and mouse game occur between Creed and Logan? He said that he learned the trick from "the master" which I assume is Romulus. The only thing is, that it better be something that involves some sort of power whether learned or inherited. I thought of the blind spot thing too but the fact is that it's a ridiculous notion for a couple of reasons. 1) In order for a human to fit inside of a persons blind spot, they would have to be 400 yards away. 2) If such a person was in fact 400 yards away, he would have to constantly move in accordance with a persons head and somehow know exactly where that tiny little blind spot was the entire time. 3) It's impossible for Daken to move from say where he was standing when DP was about to shoot him to DP's blind spot (assuming it has been increased by a factor of 400) or to a place that DP can't see unless he has a super power. Sorry, but it's the only way it makes sense.
In other words, it's scientifically impossible without invoking some sort of super power. Now I know that Marvel doesn't run on conventional science but that doesn't mean that Daniel Way gets to increase the size of the human blind-spot by a factor of 400. Also, how could Daken predict exactly which way his opponents head would turn when they are in motion and attacking? You can't predict that and you can't judge where the blind spot is. I mean, I think I've given more than enough evidence to show that the notion of a person fitting into a persons blind spot the entire time without some sort of super power is beyond ridiculous.
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Yeah, that's because the idea that Logan had been tricked by DP was their one sliver of hope that DP was actually superior to Logan in some way shape or form. They were all like "see, see - DP kicked Logan's butt because he's a better strategist and allowed himself to get beat up in H2H because that's his style to hire random women off the street and get his but kicked! He owned Wolverine because he knew he would wake up first! Pawned!" Well, I guess now Logan has officially proven to be superior in every regard. Including strategy. He's probably a better Chess player too. lol.
Seriously though, the way DP fans acted when they tried to prove DP's superiority to Logan when they used Origins 24 reminded me of the episode of Family Guy where Peter Griffin's gold fish died and he tried to feed it anyway. "Your not dead, your just saving it for later...you'll eat it when you're hungry again" "DP didn't just lose big time to Wolverine, he was just pretending..really..he tricked Wolverine...he tricked him dammit!! Cries"
Anyone else find it hilarious that when Daken was beating the crap out of DP, DP referred to a bunch of grenades lying on the floor as "skills"?
Last edited by The Real Wolvie on May 23rd, 2008 at 08:45 AM
Logans healing factor works differently with different writers lol. There are countless examples of him taking shots from people in Hulk's league and shaking them off like they are nothing.
Your example is rather pointless because DP was just owned by Wolverine in the Origins series. Let's have more cannon and less conjecture.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Like when? The minority of low/bad showings he has? Or all the times coupled with circumstantial evidence.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Maybe it's not selective memory .... another possibility is that you're only looking at the pictures of Wolverine and completely ignoring everything else that's going on in the comics you buy.
Not really... Wolverine's current "depowered" HF feats still outstrip stuff he was doing up to 2004.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Well, it's the comics isn't a good excuse in this case, because in order for the blind spot to be that large, you would have to be virtually blind entirely. Anyway, comic book writers usually tend to have logical (although scientifically implausible) explanations for these sorts of things. Daniel Way's explanation isn't even logical at all. It would be as if I made up a villain for Spider-man that can walk through bullets and then when it came to explaining his powers, I said "he just simply walks through the bullets". It's like...yay we know that's possible in the Marvel U, but there NEEDS to be a logical explanation.
Nope, I was just pointing out that you were wrong, even going so far to show scans of the issue you were referring to, yet you still refuse to accept it.
But yeah, Spider-Man is faster than Sabretooth (not that that has anything to do with this thread)
Waitwaitwait what you're saying is that SOME of Wolverines current HF showings are better than SOME of his showings in 2004? So ok hes had an upgraded HF for more than a decade so all of a sudden because there better than some of his showings in 2004 that means his HF isnt reduced? Have I got this straight?
Well, considering that speed and strength are logically related, then it only makes sense that Spider-man would be faster than Creed...if only by a hair. Logan on the other hand is different because high levels of skill can cause your movements and punches, kicks, etc to be elevated beyond human means in the marvel U. Seriously, Wolverine probably punches as hard as Spider-man because of his training. Ninjitsu basically allows you to do things that other people with powers can do. Just not to a Hulk degree. More like to a Spider-degree.
Regardless of what SOME Wolverine fans think, Wolverine's healing factor is always going up and down. Personally, I think it's much more logical that Logan can be knocked out by a series of good blows to his pressure points. If I had to chose - I would want a Logan that relied on skill instead of metal and healing factor. I don't really care for how "amped up" Frank Tieri had the healing factor for instance. It just negates the need for Wolverine to use his skill.
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May 23rd, 2008 06:54 AM
Just because hes been hit 4 times in the head by WWh lets just negate all the other examples where hes been Koed by less. Man you kill me sometimes.
