Originally posted by Tshern
Thinking is motion, because it is all up to electricity running about neurons. Heck, pretty much everything apart from the absolute zero is motion (tell me something that isn't).
Superman was still still able to talk when Jay stole his speed so obviously something was still working up there.
Originally posted by batdude123
He (Flash) doesn't need to use lethal force. The automated shielding only comes up when the incoming attack is fatal.Flash wins this. The speed would be too much for even a Green Lantern.
Originally posted by batdude123
Somehow I find this statement rather narrow-minded.Decent energy just isn't going to cut it, especially considering Flash can do shit like this:
The problem with people discusssing Flash is they use his full potential without giving everyone else the same benefit.
And again I ask what could Thanos do to stop Flash that the others I named couldn't? The Titan isn't even as versatile as GL or Spartan.
Originally posted by Validus
When has Flash ever knocked out someone with GL durability? The answer would be never.
What's the difference when he can throw 1,000's of IMPs per second?
Originally posted by Validus
Energy projection != energy manipulationThe problem with people discusssing Flash is they use his full potential without giving everyone else the same benefit.
And again I ask what could Thanos do to stop Flash that the others I named couldn't? The Titan isn't even as versatile as GL or Spartan.
I'm sorry, but it's rather hard for me to pick Kyle for this fight. I mean, that one feat I posted he covered a distance of 1 square mile in a picosecond. A mile squared = 27,878,400 feet. That means he covered 27,878,400 feet in 1/1,000,000,000,000 of a second. So, he was travelling at a rate of 27,878,400,000,000,000,000 feet/second. Light travels 951,080,000 feet per second. In essence, Flash was going 29,312,360,684.7 x the speed of light. And that was in a battle/combat situation!!! blowup
I really doubt Kyle is going to beat Wally if he's going all out. He could speed force dump him faster than Kyle could even think.
Originally posted by batdude123
What's the difference when he can throw 1,000's of IMPs per second?
Originally posted by batdude123
I'm sorry, but it's rather hard for me to pick Kyle for this fight. I mean, that one feat I posted he covered a distance of 1 square mile in a picosecond. A mile squared = 27,878,400 feet. That means he covered 27,878,400 feet in 1/1,000,000,000,000 of a second. So, he was travelling at a rate of 27,878,400,000,000,000,000 feet/second. Light travels 951,080,000 feet per second. In essence, Flash was going 29,312,360,684.7 x the speed of light. And that was in a battle/combat situation!!! blowupI really doubt Kyle is going to beat Wally if he's going all out. He could speed force dump him faster than Kyle could even think.
You say it takes a Skyfather to beat Flash but at "full potential" you know I could argue that GL fits that level and then some. How do you stop someone with a shield capable of handling a big bang and the power to do anything?
Originally posted by Validus
The fact that Kyle or Hal or whatever GL it is will be shielded easily from it and those pepper shots that Flash usually uses on his rogues won't so much as gain their attention.
For Hal or Kyle to be already "shielded" implies a little bit of prep time. The only thing they'll have in this fight are their personal shields, as they wouldn't be able to think to get their construct bubbles up in time.
Their personal aura when they have the ring on is probably enough to withstand 1 IMP, but any more than that they'd be KO'd. Flash doesn't have to kill them. It would actually be better if he tried not to... what with the auto-shields and all.
Originally posted by Validus
A speedforce dump won't work on someone who can travel dimensions as easily as I walk to the kitchen. This is what I mean when I say people use Flash's full potential without doing that for everyone else. Flash is fast as hell I know but at "full potential" GL is shielded from all his attacks and theres nothing Flash could do about it.
I'm just throwing things out there. He doesn't necessarily have to do that. I just really don't see Kyle defeating someone he can't even perceive. You're argument about Flash not being able to do anything goes both ways.
Originally posted by Validus
You say it takes a Skyfather to beat Flash but at "full potential" you know I could argue that GL fits that level and then some. How do you stop someone with a shield capable of handling a big bang and the power to do anything?
I could also argue Wally fits that description, at least in terms of speed.
IMO Wally would win.
Originally posted by batdude123
For Hal or Kyle to be already "shielded" implies a little bit of prep time. The only thing they'll have in this fight are their personal shields, as they wouldn't be able to think to get their construct bubbles up in time.Their personal aura when they have the ring on is probably enough to withstand 1 IMP, but any more than that they'd be KO'd. Flash doesn't have to kill them. It would actually be better if he tried not to... what with the auto-shields and all.
Originally posted by batdude123
I'm just throwing things out there. He doesn't necessarily have to do that. I just really don't see Kyle defeating someone he can't even perceive. You're argument about Flash not being able to do anything goes both ways.
It's not all about lightspeed laser beams. The picosecond he approaches Kyle, Wally finds out what out it's like to have his legs vaporize right before his eyes.
Originally posted by batdude123
I could also argue Wally fits that description, at least in terms of speed.IMO Wally would win.
Originally posted by Validus
But then I also have scans that show that ring not only protects them via shield but will also drag them away from the fight so they can gather themselves. I also have scans to show the personal shield grows in power to match increasing danger. 1 IMP or 1000 IMPs won't make a difference.
Dragging away from the fight is basically like BFRing themselves. And unless you're talking about going to another dimension, Flash would probably meet Kyle there anyway, considering he was able to outspeed teleportation across the galaxy (God I hate how fast they made Wally 😘).
Right, but they're personal shields are not infallable. They can be beaten down and have been MANY-a-times.
Originally posted by Validus
Actually once Kyle is shielded (i.e. from the beginning) it's just a matter of telling his ring to destroy any matter that moves above a certain speed. Since the shield gives him all the time he needs, well then....
Again, I understand where you're coming from, but it's still a matter of actually telling the ring or willing the ring to do something like that. Unless Kyle has faster than picosecond reaction speeds, he couldn't do what you're suggesting.
Originally posted by Validus
It's not all about lightspeed laser beams. The picosecond he approaches Kyle, Wally finds out what out it's like to have his legs vaporize right before his eyes.
How the hell could Kyle find enough time to think this up w/o prep time? Wally wouldn't give him time to do this.
Originally posted by Validus
Except it takes more than speed to equal a Skyfather.
True, but let me ask you this... do you think Thanos would beat Wally?
Originally posted by batdude123
Considering he was able to outspeed teleportation across the galaxy (God I hate how fast they made Wally 😘).
But when is wally that Fast? i have seen some scans of Flash of such things........ but 99 percent of his comics shows other wise.
One time feat........ i don't anyone can beat GL in those One(Two) Shot feats
Originally posted by batdude123
Dragging away from the fight is basically like BFRing themselves. And unless you're talking about going to another dimension, Flash would probably meet Kyle there anyway, considering he was able to outspeed teleportation across the galaxy (God I hate how fast they made Wally 😘).
Originally posted by batdude123
Right, but they're personal shields are not infallable. They can be beaten down and have been MANY-a-times.
Originally posted by batdude123
Again, I understand where you're coming from, but it's still a matter of actually telling the ring or willing the ring to do something like that. Unless Kyle has faster than picosecond reaction speeds, he couldn't do what you're suggesting.
Originally posted by batdude123
How the hell could Kyle find enough time to think this up w/o prep time? Wally wouldn't give him time to do this.
Originally posted by batdude123
True, but let me ask you this... do you think Thanos would beat Wally?
Originally posted by Validus
GL's travel speed feats match Wally anyday of the week.
Yeah, they're fast but nowhere near as fast in a combat situation.
Originally posted by Validus
Probably not as often as I've seen Flash hurt his hand punching Gorilla Grodd (so much for IMPing the shield) or as often as GL has beaten Flash in combat (everytime they've fought). 🙂
Their personal shields (the green outline of their bodies) adapting to the increasing outside forces rarely happen at all.
Originally posted by Validus
He doesn't need fast reactions. He could sit there and read a book while Wally is pounding on his shield with IMP after IMP. We're using full potential remember?
Kyle's personal shields wouldn't take that many IMPs before being KO'd.
Originally posted by Validus
You're the one who came up with the idea one needed to be Skyfather level to beat Flash and the one who went on to call Thanos a low level skyfather (something I agree with). Do YOU see Thanos beating Wally?
I actually see Surfer doing a better job against Flash than Thanos.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, they're fast but nowhere near as fast in a combat situation.
Originally posted by batdude123
Their personal shields (the green outline of their bodies) adapting to the increasing outside forces rarely happen at all.
Originally posted by batdude123
Kyle's personal shields wouldn't take that many IMPs before being KO'd.
Originally posted by batdude123
I actually see Surfer doing a better job against Flash than Thanos.
Originally posted by Validus
Didn't say they were but they don't have to be.
It would help if they didn't have human reaction times.
Off-topic (kinda) but how do you see Superman w/ a GL ring doing against Kyle?
Originally posted by Validus
It just happened last month in GLC #5. Happened several times in Recharge. It happens more often than Flash pulling any of his once a year uber feats. When's the last time we saw the IMP anyway? JLA 2 or 3? 😂
I didn't say it doesn't happen. All I said was that it was rare.
Originally posted by Validus
But in fact they will. I don't see why Wally is getting the benefit of using his high end feats while Kyle isn't. So what, high end Wally versus low end Kyle?
Wally doesn't have to IMP. He could rush in faster than Kyle can think and vibrate his hand in Kyle's stomach.
Originally posted by Validus
Is Surfer a Skyfather?
No, I only said that because of his reflexes.
And why did you turn the question on me? I asked you first: How do you think Thanos would fair against Wally?
Originally posted by batdude123
It would help if they didn't have human reaction times.Off-topic (kinda) but how do you see Superman w/ a GL ring doing against Kyle?
Originally posted by batdude123
I didn't say it doesn't happen. All I said was that it was rare.
Originally posted by batdude123
Wally doesn't have to IMP. He could rush in faster than Kyle can think and vibrate his hand in Kyle's stomach.
Originally posted by batdude123
And why did you turn the question on me? I asked you first: How do you think Thanos would fair against Wally?
Originally posted by Validus
Losing. Experience matters and Kyle is too good at what he does. Previously I said otherwise but thats the past.
You don't see Superman's natural speed combined w/ the ring winning against Kyle?
Originally posted by Validus
Still not as rare as half the things you've said Flash could do to Kyle in this thread.
Besides IMP, what else? Like I said, he doesn't have to do that. The reason he doesn't IMP very much is because he doesn't like hitting people at light speed.
Originally posted by Validus
Auto shields remember? Flash isn't phasing past anything.
That's why I said stomach instead of brain. It doesn't have to necessarily be fatal.
Originally posted by Validus
Thanos would win outside of a speedforce dump.
So speedforce shit ftw.