I'm just saying Vader has ribs...... Not imitation rib-like things. I just don't feel that Lucas would have the main character of the saga be a machine, unless its R2 and 3PO. Vader isn't going to be the exact same as Grievous.
If the General is a proto-Vader, wouldn't they have figured out how to preserve more?
but its not about preservation.
the force can sustain life, but not ressurect it.
they save what is still alive, and toss what is dead.
charred flesh is dead, at least in the real world.
however, GL has a habit of bending reality, so that will remain to be seen.
and if i am correct on this, vader is still NOT a machine, he is a man.
as i asked before, where is the line drawn between machine and man?
at the thigh and upper arm? just below the wasteline? below the neck?
i think no matter how bad vader ends up, so long as he has a human brain
which thinks and feels he is a man.
Barely. But Lucas has said he loses both legs and an arm, and from what I've heard, Anakin doesn't actually fall in the lava. He stops his fall with is bionic arm and is burned by the intense heat, slowly burning, that would make anyone's mind snap. If he hit the lava, he'd be gone completely.....
oh, i know we wont see just a brain,
i was just philosophising on the whole matter of
vader being a man or machine.
now, if you want to get scientific, regardless of what anakin's
arm was made of, he would have been vaporized by a lava,
regardless of what hits it first. he would just go *poof*
I can't believe anyone had the free time to write all that......
Looking at those pictures again, I think the mechanical parts are the parts holding the fake skeleton together. In 1982, Lucas didn't count on a group of nerds at Force.net going to the extreme that Trek fans are known for....
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LOL...Ill take that bet.
Do we all agree that Vader was breathing on his own at the end of ROTJ? If so I think that you must say that he has a torso. Im pretty sure that besides taking off the helmet the rest of the suit no longer worked after it was electrocuted.
An iron lung? Don't think he'd be walking around with one of those......
He has a respirator of some sort, and those pics on that site were never meant to be examined that closely. As for Lucas demanding detail, again, he probably never envisioned a bunch of geeks wasting their time with that.
Those hinges don't stand out when watching the film: I've seen it enough times.....
It didn't need to be realistic to look good in that scene.
I agree that Lucas never meant for Vader's "electrocutionary skeleton" to be so closely analyzed. Anyway, has anyone even considered that it was done primarily by Richard Marquand (The guy who actually directed ROTJ. He didn't just sit there while Lucas barked orders y'know.)?
Sep 1st, 2004 06:35 PM
