yea its either tech...or some other source that grants him telekenetic abilities that appears as strength...although even without the enhancement he has very vast strength
yeah I always wondered if gladiator was just superman with purple skin and a mohawk. you know almost identical powers and name (CLARK AND KALL-ARK) but en sabah nur whoops his butt (I'm once again spittin' the truth 'cause I hate apaocalypse, HE'S MY #1 LEAST FAV. CHARACTER). and from what I read in the comics, on onslaught, nate grey, and possibly glactus could beat him
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I think that Apoc could increase his size and strength in order to match Gladiator..however...in prompt fight
Regarding this, he can increase his size but does that mean his strength is boosted as well. Increasing one's size doesn't necessarily mean increasing ones strength. Has he ever demonstrated such a feat? Keep in mind that he's Class 100, so the proof would be that he's lifting something above 100 tons. Has he done such a thing?
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All I says is Apocalypse can win a lot on the count that he's a genious with swift technology inspite of being hyped up specifically so a hero can easily defeat him.
The Leader is also a genious, yet a lumbering oaf like the Hulk always beats his ass, so what's your point?
As for the Hero/Villain contract, Dr. Doom, Magneto, and Sinister are always defeated easily because they're villains. Yet they don't look like losers/jobbers...considered useless. Being a villain is NOT an excuse for being a useless jobber who aspires to be a world conquerer.
And don't even bring up AOA, Xavier wasn't even killed by Apocalypse. And Doom hadn't developed his armor or gathered resources.
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Cannonball gave him some trouble
Cannonball only got like two or three shots in. Gladiator was handing him his ass for most of the fight. And Kallark wasn't even there for blood, he only wanted the X-Men for a mission...not to kill Cannonball. The whole fight was just for kicks.
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i was just saying....someone like cannonball, not too powerful at all, it was surprising to see him go toe to toe with Gladiator
Thing was, Kallark was playing with him. Maybe in Cannonball's mind he was going toe to toe. In Gladiators, there's no toe involved...just alot of toying that's all.
yeah, but the look on gladiators face when cannonball absorbed his "mightiest blow" says it all, he couldnt believe it, which allowed cannonball gain the upper hand
Leader doesn't have five millennia of experiance though. Not sure how much of that Apoc has been awake for though. Or if that's how old he is.
And during those 5,000 years what has he been doing? Why the hell didn't he conquer it when the civilizations only had spears and swords? Why wait over 5,000 years and run into a world few of superpowered being? Is it because he wants his ass to be kicked? Five millennia and nothing much to show for it - Doc Dooms taken over the world about what...2-3 times already? Magneto has the world fear him and the U.N. give into his demands. And these guys are about into forties or fifties by now?
Apoc loses due to bad writing?
And how many times of bad writing does he have? How many times can we use that as an excuse?
According to the uncannyxmen.net site, looks like he could siphon Gladiator's power off then beat him with it.
I think what they're refering to is his machines. He uses them to aborb powers from others. From what I know of Apocalypse, he boost and takes powers from others using machines; he can't and hasn't done it himself to my knowledge. If he could siphon other peoples powers, he would've done that with the X-Men or with Magneto who beat him down in AOA.
no dude, apoc has taken over the world in many different timlines its just that he did it times when there was no one to stand up to him. if you revisit some of the old school stories of apoc you'll find that time and time again,(no pun intended) in the distant past of course, he conqured what was then the known world, and he had whole civilizations worshipping him as a god, to name a few, the Egyptians, Mayans, Incans, Aztecs . And he had them always preparing for his coming. usually in dramtic fashions like ancient keys, and trinkets to unlock his tomb are scattered all across the most distant corners of the globe and anyone who retrieves them and wake him from his slumber will be richly rewarded and blah blah blah.
He conquered a few civilization. If he had truly conquered it, he would still have it now. People would still be worshipping him and those with super powers would have been contained early.
As for different timelines, the only one I know of when he actually did was the Age Of Apocalyspe. And he still was handed his butt by Magneto in a one on one fight. But if he did conquer other timelines without anyone to stand up to him, that shows how much of a loser he is. If he conquered a world in which there are people capable of stand up to him and actually win, then I'd praise him. Conquering a world because you technology that of alien origins - vastly ahead of what is present - and without anyone capable of actually winning to challange you isn't much of a feat. Doom took over a world filled with individuals capable of winning - and only gave it back because he was bored. Thanos attacked Titan - the home of the Eternal Titans - and conquered it as well.
good point, but thats just the thing. as soon as he conquerd one civilization he would travel thru time and conqer another, then by the time he comes to the future, he may not be ruler anymore but he still has followers, and then the disendants of ancient races have ancient tomes containing his history, thus the whole unlocking his tomb, richly rewarded, blah blah blah. Thanos is the ideal conquerer because he doesnt acknowledge niether good nor evil, he just is.
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