I think Thor takes it. In addition to strength he has the powers over weather, ability to create portals to other dimensions, flight etc.. Like Superman, he has such a variety of abilities he would tend to give pure stregth guys a lot of trouble.
What is this The Juggy Twins? Look guys I know where your going with this... the fact is, Hulk has crushed Thor more times than Thor has crushed the Hulk... this is a fact. I don't need to know more than the Marvel writers they are the one who showed me that the Hulk can mangle blondie, I'm not guessing. But you want Thor to be on top of the Hulk so that you can turn around and say that Juggy is on top of Thor... no dice guys. The Hulk at his best showing could beat the life out of Namor... and you both know it, like I said earlier an untweaked Rogue (you know before she met Sage) has beaten Juggernaut.... does this mean that she can do this time and again? No it doesn't it just means that she had a little leverage and she pressed it, same as Namor... when Namor met Hulk later on not only did Hulk slap him around, but he slapped Wonderman, Samson, Ironman, and Hercules along with him... these guys together would put a beating on the Juggernaut like you wouldn't believe, but The Hulk not only held out, he was actually winning... and if the rest of the Avengers didn't step in (East and West Coast) he would have likely took those guys apart... only Hercules would have been left standing, but even he would have eventually gone down.
Rogue has beaten Juggernaut... back in the days that Mark Sylvestry sketched for The Uncanny X-Men... Juggernaut was trying to kill Longshot, and Rogue grabbed Juggernaut and sucked the power right out of him gaining his power... why do you think that she can tap his strength today? I don't have the book on me, but trust me it happened. So to answer your question. No I'm not mad. I have to add one more thing... Juggernaut is not the man he used to be. Which means in this fight he's a none factor.
It is beyond Hulk to stop Juggernaut.
With the Celestial armor, he stopped him. But, Hulk on his own has not had much luck with Juggernaut.
Ok, let's give Hulk and Juggernaut a form of Celestial armor, and watch Juggs dismember him.
Okay, I believe you. That was pretty long ago since Longshot still was with X-men. Rogue had that terrible black costume with somekind of a lingerie and top on it? Hrrr, I sincerely dislike the costume she used back then...
Yes that famous artic battle. They were mad at each other. But in the end after after Hulk threw the big punch to knock Thor out of thru the sky (in coming Nuclear). Thor was still consious. But he was even madder that he was denied of his prey(Hulk). Hey that was the narrator's saying. Mad Thor, seems to amplify his strength...physicalness but not his overall power. With overall power, Hulk really will need some major PIS to win. Heroes Reborn Thorwas not even the real Thor but Franklin Richards' version. So that fight does not stand.
I don't know what your talking about, so some scans would be nice. I just don't know how Rouge could suck the magic out of someone.
Just answers me this, why hasn't Thor ever used any of his major powers against Hulk? I'm not sure either, instead of just frying Hulk or incinerating him with the god blast, he sits there and swings his hammer like a crazy trick. You would think that a character who has stood against Thanos could defeat The Hulk. The only thing we get to see is writers make Thor look bad.
I mean truly, why would Thor sit there and swing his hammer around when all he would have to do is use the god blast?
This reminds me of something I had posted about the Surfer. Basically, not all powers are deployed with equal ease. Godblast--if this is Thor's most powerful weapon--probably takes a lot out of him. I mean, which would deplete you faster: running body slams, or left jabs?
Still, you make a good point: Thor should be able to do more against the Hulk, especially considering that Surfer has always handled Hulk with ease, and yet, Thor has beaten Surfer (though under conditions I feel involve some very mysterious PIS).
Probably, when powerhouses are matched up against Hulk (eg, Thor, Superman), the writers feel that readers expect a brute-force, brawling, strength-vs-strength slugfest, so PIS is inevitable.
To address the thread topic, though, I give it to Hulk. I mean, Strength-Taken-To-Extreme is Hulk. If you're gonna have someone stronger, then what's the point of Hulk? It's like the Flash: if Superman were faster, why have a Flash?
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Thor wins the majority of the fights, at base level he is stronger than the hulk, Stan lee said that him self. Thor gets his ass handed to him by the hulk the majority of the times because the writers have Thor fighting like a idiot, hulk style, just waling on his opponents with is fist and moijinr, instead of frying him with lighting or his god-blast.
Question: if Heroes Reborn Thor wasn't the real deal, then to be consistent, wouldn't that also mean Heroes Reborn Hulk wasnt the real deal as well?
I did some research on Heroes Reborn Hulk a while back, with websites and KMC members. Heroes Reborn Hulk was Not significantly stronger than regular Hulk, despite his "getting energy" from "two universes."
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Hulk still doesn't win this fight. Without PIS Hulk can take everyone out in this fight except the gods. The gods being Thor Asgardian god of thunder and Juggernaut, the living embodiment of the god Cyttorak. The reason i believe that Hulk can defeat every opponent wit the exception of these two is because like Hulk there powers are limitless. Thor written without PIS would utterly destroy Hulk. This is also the case with a non PIS Juggernaut.
Now people like to say that Hulk has unlimited strength. Well if your going to say Hulk has unlimited strength you must include the 10 or so other characters being described as having unlimited strength. Out of all the gods and such in the Marvel universe I'm positive that Hulk is not the strongest by far.
Now the writer during the 8th day Juggernaut described Juggernaut as having limitless power. Thus through focus he is able to increase his strength. I mean even without this exclamation by the writer, why would Cyttorak deny his vessel the powers he wants?
In this fight though, the last standing are Thor, and Juggernaut. Hulk can do nothing to either one of these characters.
The comic writers change things as they go and that will never change. A few months ago, Nick Fury said that Hulk's mutation allows him to adapt to any condition or environment along with having his normal attributes. As an example, his mutation now allows him to survive in space. I've stated many times on this forum that comic writers need a set of parameters that they can't go beyond. I'm a Hulk fan, but if he now has an adaptive mutation, he'll be unstoppable unless someone kills him quickly.
1) Well to be honest The Hulk has always had the ability to adapt to his surroundings, the writers at Marvel left this fact out for years... long ago they said that if Hulk stayed underwater long enough that he would develop gills.
2) Thor's antiforce blast does take time, and it wears him out, so in the meantime while he's charging up his hammer for the assault Hulk could technically jump on in, and beat the hell out of him. Let's face it Hulks biggest threat is Mjolnir not Thor.... if he was to lose contact with the hammer while fighting Hulk, he would and has been defeated.
3) As far as the Exemplars are concerned Thor is not reffered to being weaker to them, when he fought against them with Hercules in The Avengers issue 25 the book says that " If they were up against one Exemplar, or two they would surely prevail. Even against three. or four... their centuries of experience might still win the day. But against all seven? Against all seven alas..." My point being that Thor is a match for any Exemplar alone, he's actually more powerful as it states in the book.
3) The Hulk is tough as hell in the recent FF issue 535, Hulk withstands the Torches nova blast as if he were taking a shower... I'm not saying that it's as powerful as the antiforce blast, but you can't sell the Hulk short when it comes to being durable. Thor can give better than he can take, and it's all due to his hammer.
Hulk can still outdo any of these guys when it comes to the upper level of his strength.
Really? WTF. Then the Hulk is almost unbeatable. I mean unless someone ko's the Hulk early, he can adapt to speed, magic, strength and anything else. Sometimes I can't stand comic writers.
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I blame comic book writers for some of the never ending debates in this forum.
