I think there's a misunderstanding, I'm actually quite fond of Batman.
I'm not so fond however of the writers these days, who make him do stuff he, let's be honest, shouldn't be able to do, and make him fight villains that are just too big for him.
Batman is the best this, the best that, is always prepared, analyzes everything, knows 127 martial arts, has a butler, blueprints, an endless utility belt and without a doubt also a healing factor, because NO human being can take 5 % of the beatings Batman received.
I know it's only comics, and they always exaggerate in comics. Fine, no problem. But I don't like the fact that Batman is considered the best because he's "so human" because if he really was half as human as they claim, he should be dead or fighting guys like the Joker and Killer Croc, and not Judge Death or so.
Oops, way off topic. Spider-Man wins !
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To be honest, it can be said of every hero or superteam. Spider-Man is no exception by the way.
But at least, the super powered people like the X-Men have some - lame - excuse for doing things they normally can't do : Oops, my power suddenly has increased... must be the training that Prof. Xavier gives me, or it will be another "unknown" power of me that hasn't been discovered yet."
It may sound stupid, but at least it's some kind of an excuse. Batman doesn't have those excuses but still pulls unknown talents out of his ass on a daily basis.
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you missed the part where I said compare them to Cap.
Chance - Not as touch as Cap. I'm willing to guarentee he's no where near the hand to hand fighter.
Sentinels - Cap's taken out numerous sentinals in the past. Infact, i'm quite sure that he took out atleast one or two during the Onslaught saga. Apparently their calculating isn't quite on Captain America's level.
Iron Man 2020 - Jesus you're digging deep to find someone who is tacticlally inferior to Captain America, has slower reflexes, and no where near the back ground information on Spidey.
I'm sorry....were you just listing a bunch of hacks or...well....what did you waste both of our time with here?
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I'm not saying he didn't, but I don't remember it. I only remember him - during the Onslaught crisis in NYC - running around and shouting orders.
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maybe, but any IM armour is a ton more powerful than regular human and all he asked for was guys that calculated attacks.... IM 2020 was a merc who did that....... he may not be on a par with current IM but he wasn't exactly a p*ssy
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i missed the compare to cap part? didn't you read the post? and all you asked for was villains that calculated and stratagised attacks...... that's what i gave you......no one said that chance was as good H2H as cap
and Spidey has taken out more than 1 or 2 sentinels solo....... if you're still doing comparisons you may want that info too
if you wanted something other than that then you should have asked for something other than that
Guys why are we Cap bashing here???
Some of us are not putting into light Cap's glorious career.
The dude stood in front of Thanos during the IG saga and when Thanos said" So Captain it would appear that all of your comrades have fallen and soon you will join them in Death"
what does Cap say?
"Thanos as long as there is one person to stand up in oppostion to your tyrany in this Universe, then you will never win"
That's balls, people!!!
F*&^%ing balls dudes!!
How can writers underwrite SPidermans power? They are the people giving Spiderman his power. If they dont want spiderman to swing around from buildings like a prick anymore, then he is not going to. If spiderman appears in next months issues with t1ts, then guess what...Spiderman has t1ts no matter how much you dont want it to be true. I understand what your saying though, just not about the writers. The writers of the Incredible Hulk constantly under write his characters abilities from what other comics have told us. Hulk should be running the Earth, as should most any superhero or super villian. when you look at what comics has told us about each individual characters potential.
Comic writers know shit about whats going on and what has gone on. They only know what is going to happen next week to finish off there series, so they can get paid. Comics are chock full of contradictions and discrepancies.
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it isn't that they under write his powers, it's that they write him as always holding back out of fear of severely hurting or killing anyone he fights..... he only goes all out against people he knows can take it like Rhino, one time he got mad at Scorpion for poisoning him (almost to death) and beat the crap out of him so bad it looked like he'd killed him for a sec...... but Scorp just poisoned himself to look like he was dead to escape...... Spidey had a 3 second guilt trip there...... he cares too much about his enemies
Captain America has never been seen to get knocked-out by a single
punch from anyone cause he never fights anyone as fast and good
as he is. To my knowledge, there has NEVER been a big-time
throw-down between Captain America & Spiderman.
And Spiderman is physically superior to Cap in every way.
When has Cap ever gone toe-to-toe with someone that
strong, fast, agile, etc.....
Spidey outclasses Cap. in every physical aspect of every area.
Spidey-superhuman
Cap-human, look past the whole "perfect human" image, if you will, when reading this
Abilities:
Spidey-SUPERHUMAN strength, speed, agility, durability, reflexes, elasticity in the skeleton twice that of the average human, and pre-cog (not to mention his temper that fuels his already overbearing strength advantage in the fight)
Cap-PEAK strength, speed, agility, durability (note: he is STILL vulnerable to most if not all poisons, wounds, etc. that the average joe has to deal with), elasticity (debatable)
Experience:
Spidey-40+ years
Cap-60+ years
Weapons:
Spidey:webbing that's been known to hold the likes of Rogue the X-Man
Cap-near indestructable shield used for slinging at others and blocking attacks
So in short the score is:
Spidey-3
Cap-1 (on account of experience)
Cap's experience on the battlefield and HTH combat won't do much for a guy that made his OWN unique fighting style that's gone unmatched for as long as he's been in comics. And his shield won't fare well in the field of slinging and hitting Spidey on account of Spidey's pre-cog coupled in with his superior agility, reflexes, and speed.
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Yah...you missed the Cap part. The question is....did YOU read the post. I said:
Yes, I read my post. Then I read your post. Then I typed this post. Interesting how we go from point A to point C.
Thanks for the "info" on Spiderman being able to kill multiple sentinals, but I don't see how it strengthens your arguement in a one-on-one fight Captain America.
What I do what to know...and I wouldn't expect you to provide this information....is what the outcomes have been in their previous confrontations. I know they got into a little bit of a mix in one comic, but later teamed up.
but there's got to be a comic where these two actually went at it.
This fight is interesting because we all know that Spider-Man own Cap in strength and speed. When it come th hand-to-hand Cap. will own spidey. in this fight I think spider-man would win if he keeps the figt at a distance and uses his webing wiselyi.e. tie up swing cap into things and use his webbing as a trap for captain america once he runs out of webbing then the real fight begins spidey could take him there too but a long fight before he does.
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