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Who is the victor?
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| NJO Luke Skywalker |
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DarkNemesis
Uber Dark Lord
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: The Dark Side of the Force
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Sweet, Crazo has been banned, that guy freaked the hell outta me.
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Jun 1st, 2005 09:41 PM |
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Emperor Revan
Most Powerful Sith Lord
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: The Star Forge
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Yeah, hopefully he's gone for good...
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Jun 1st, 2005 09:52 PM |
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Kun-ni Habeo
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Registered: Apr 2005
Location: SRBIJA!!!(burek s mesom pwns!!)Account Restricted
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hes a goner
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Jun 1st, 2005 09:53 PM |
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Bobafetty
Pimp of Evil
Registered: May 2005
Location: Canada
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good
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Jun 1st, 2005 10:21 PM |
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Darth_Frobo
Jawa hairstylist..of doom
Registered: May 2005
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
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I'm willing to admit that I'm a bit of a biased Revan fanboy but that doesn't change certain key facts.
1.Revan knew the most about the both jedi and sith then anyone ever. He plundered the tombs of all the powerful sith lords and soaked up every piece of knowledge there was to know, as well as learning all there was to know about the jedi, hell he learned how to fight from tulak hord marka ragnos and naga sadow, Revan pretty much knew every single combat trick the ancient jedi and sith ahd to offer.
2. He invented/learned thousands of ways to kill jedi and sith. As I said before he learned everything there was to know but not only that he created ways. Revan literally killed or turned every single jedi/sith that ever opposed him, hell he doesn't need to beat luke with a lightsaber (which he could) he could probably turn him to the darkside, it wouldn't be that hard Revan had done it thousands of times before, he'd just kill those luke cared for and play with his mind at every chance he got, Revan quite literally either knew or invented every single method the known to either defeat or turn a jedi.
3.Battle precognition. that's right revan could see the futur, but far more than almost any jedi. Revan was literally able to see the final outcome of entire wars even thoughs that lasted for years. Revan would know where luke's every saber stroke would land and be able to counter with a lethal blow almost every time.
4.Experience. Not hard to figure out Revan won every war he ever fought in almost single handedly he destroyed the mandalorians at the peak of their power and they were no pushovers I mean jango fett who was far from the best mandalorian killed 12 jedi barehanded, and jango fett pretty much effortlessly anhilated them. He then brought the republic to it's knees anhilating their entire army under the command of jedi and generals far superior to thos of a couple thousand years later. But that's not all he then destroyed the sith empire which by the way had infinite ressources troops and countless sith which he cut through like butter, as well as a sith lord whos power surpassed almost every single sith that followed. all that with like a quarter of the knowledge which he then regained and used to control an entire flipping sun that's right not just a star a sun (I know a star is a sun but it's much larger and i mean MUCH) to kill almost every jedi and then he went and took on the sith empire pretty much singlehandedly till the exile came along.
4. Ability. Revan had powers that after he died,(assuming he did as a true sith never dies SUPPOSEDLY) were never seen again, deathfield,kill,force storm,destroy droid just to name a few no sith lord following revan could ever us lightning on more then one target let alone kill someone,choke yes but just kill no. Revan also had mastered every single form of lightsaber combat he had a form like no other as he literally combined them all to suit his needs,(I don't know this as a fact i will admit but why know them all if he wouldn't use them?) so with greater force knowledge and lightsaber form he has a definite edge.
I'm a little long winded so know I'll have to explain certain things about anakin for those who obviously don't know very much (no offense meant)
1. He didn't live up to his potential. He COuld have been the most powerful force user ever but when obi-won cut off his legs that potential left him and Revan had arguably nearly as much if not the same amount of potential as him, just look at what kreia said about him and so on, I won't repeat it on the grounds that emperor Revan has listed them in many other debates the difference being he reached his full potential and I'd say even exceeded it.
2.Being the chosen one doesn't make you God it only means that you will bring balance to the force no where does it say in the prophesy that the chosen one would be the most powerful it only means he'll bring balance to the force. He did but I remind you that killing one sith lord with less then a tenth of the power of Revan doesn't make you the best. on the topic of luke he was only 80% as powerful as anakin but he reached his full potential which was about equal to revan the only difference being that Revan had alot more experience and a million times more knowledge of the force and lightsaber comment.
I will make one final point I sincerly apologize for writing so much but this luke is the strongest bs isn't true again really really sorry, here's my final point.
While Luke knew a great deal about the jedi he didn't know much about the sith. Revan not only knew more about the jedi but he also knew every single detail about the sith and his ability to manipulate his knowledge of both sides wheras luke is only relying on the light which is half the power of the true force.
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Jun 2nd, 2005 12:56 AM |
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Bobafetty
Pimp of Evil
Registered: May 2005
Location: Canada
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wow. Long post
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Jun 2nd, 2005 03:58 AM |
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Darth Plagues
Senior Member
Registered: May 2005
Location: Tatooine Cantina
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Yes, its long and with exaggerated facts. Luke would rule
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Jun 2nd, 2005 07:36 PM |
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Darth_Frobo
Jawa hairstylist..of doom
Registered: May 2005
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
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If you're going to say luke would rule please offer facts it may have been a long post but it offered facts, I'm not saying luke isn't good,revan was just better
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Jun 2nd, 2005 07:54 PM |
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Darth Plagues
Senior Member
Registered: May 2005
Location: Tatooine Cantina
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Darth Revan couldn't take on thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors and their powerful leader to live and tell about it afterwards, as Luke did. Don't get me wrong Darth Revan is powerful and very talented in the ways of the Force...I like him, but if he goes up against Luke Skywalker he would not prevail. Why? Because Luke Skywalker was trained in so little time to accoplish so much, like helping the Rebel Alliance defeat the Empire, arose the Jedi Order from extinction with little knowledge of the Jedi ways and of how to teach Jedi ways. The Jedi Academy later defeated the "Shadow Academy", which was a Academy for Dark Jedi and Luke beat their leader in a duel. Also Luke defeated the Emperor's Clone, and slain thousand of Yuuzhan Vong warriors(like said above) in one match. There is no question about it that he could defeat the Ancient Dark Lord of the Sith.
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Jun 2nd, 2005 08:07 PM |
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Darth_Frobo
Jawa hairstylist..of doom
Registered: May 2005
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
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Now that's more like it good reasons, but there are a few things, first Revan still has greater knowledge of the force and lightsaber combat equal potential more experience and battle precognition. True luke accomplished a lot in a short period of time true he was the most powerful JEDI ever but as for the vong thing the truth is Revan was never in a situation like that so you can't really say but what he did do was kill hundreds if not thousands of sith in the star forge destroy an entire droid army as well as withstand the full power of the greatest darkside artifact ever (arguably) he also singlehandedly defeated the mandalorians killing hundreds of them in combat. I'm not saying luke isn't powerful I'm just saying Revan was extremly extremly powerful and is in my opinion equal if not superior to luke.
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Jun 2nd, 2005 09:40 PM |
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Lord Darkstar
Grandmaster of the AFC
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: The Dark Tower
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well I agree with Luke winning, however I will post some facts about my reason:
1) Like stated above, Luke was able to charge through the entire Yuuzhan Vong HQ, basically on his own (yes Jacen and Jaina were with him, but it says in TUF that they did almost no work). Since this is the place where the YV leader is, there would be thousands of Vong, maybe even 10 000 or more, yet Luke wasted them all.
2) After doing that, he faced off against 7 or 8 slayers, can't remember which, either way it is impressive, Kyp who is supposedly very powerful could not even take one and he landed dozens of hits. Yet Luke was able to kill them with one hit, that means he is either exceptionally strong, or he was powering his weapon with the force.
3) Then he defeated the Supreme Overlord, who on his own would be a match for many jedi.
4) In the final YV battle, Luke used an unknown power, to instantly kill a slayer. It is described as being like green sparks (so maybe force lightning). Jaina also describes him as being like the centre of the force. The force flowing through him, he was like a malestrom of force energy, unstoppable. Jaina also described him as being calm and focused, and his blade with like 10 or 20, all moving at the same time, with one purpose.
5) Luke was also able to manipulate black holes and gravity.
6) Luke was also able to knock down AT-AT's like they were nothing, he could also destroy entire armies with the force.
7) In the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke removed an entire planet from view using the force, he said it should last indefinently. He was also able to make himself invisible and unable to be sensed through the force. Also in the Black Fleet Crisis Luke rebuilt Vader's old fortress, he also made it invisible. He did all this with out being sensed through the force, and this is on Courscant.
8) Luke also trained underneath the clone emperor, so he would know about the sith as well as the jedi. Luke also defeated the Emperor's force storm, which was massive and able to destroy ships.
9) After defeating the clone emperor, Luke discovered an ancient jedi library, with long forgotten knowledge. Luke also didn't restrict his knowledge to just the jeid, he hunted all over the galaxy, searching for knowledge and power from everyone he met. Luke also learned under the emperor and used the emperors library (which contains sith knowledge from over 1000 years). Yes I know Revan did this as well, but I am pointing it out because it greatly reduces Revan's advantage
10) Finally, Luke deflected the emperors lightning for a bit in RotJ, this was the first time he had ever seen this power so the fact that he could deflect it for a bit when it was the first time he had ever seen it is very impressive. Even more so when you consider that Yoda even had some trouble deflecting it in RotS. This is to point out that Luke could deflect anything that Revan would throw at him.
And yes people could use force lightning on more than one person, Jacen does it against the Vong in Destiny's Way.
Also, Revan's ability to predicte the future is not perfect, if it was he would have known Malak was going to betray him.
Over-all, Luke wins.
We simply do not know enough about Revan and his powers, other than the fact that he was smart, to say that he would win. One final point, being smart does not translate to strength in battle. I have a 98% average, but I would loose in a fight to probably 70% of the guys in my grade.
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Jun 2nd, 2005 09:51 PM |
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Emperor Revan
Most Powerful Sith Lord
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: The Star Forge
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Darth Frobo: Thanks for the shout out and great post by the way. Same to Revan Darkstar.
Also to Revan Darkstar's post, Revan didn't predict that his apprentice would betray him because it was his apprentice that was weaker than him, and I don't think he would've suspected it from afar while being distracted by the Jedi. Or there's the possibility that he knew he would ultimately become stronger and he let all of that happen but it is unlikely.
Now you also said "We simply do not know enough about Revan and his powers" so I hope you don't think Marka Ragnos or Tulak Hord could beat either of these two because we know basically a couple of one-sided sentences about them.
But anywho, we know a lot more than he was smart, he defeated everyone he ever fought, including Mandalore, the most famous Echani, two Sith Lords, hundreds of dark Jedi and plenty of assassin droids. We know a lot more than just "he's smart" but they're both so powerful this fight could swing in either's favor really quick.
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Jun 2nd, 2005 10:19 PM |
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Darth Plagues
Senior Member
Registered: May 2005
Location: Tatooine Cantina
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Revan DarkStar alone I think decided the victor of this battle. Very good post.
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Jun 2nd, 2005 11:44 PM |
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Darth_Frobo
Jawa hairstylist..of doom
Registered: May 2005
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
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You're probably going to call me a n00b and a complete idiot for saying this but as previously stated revan singlehandedly destroyed every single sith on the star forge including the droids and the full power of the star forge itself which pretty much equals lukes triumph over the vong, as malak was at the time the most powerful force user in the galaxy next to revan. Revan also was able to suck the very life force from multiple beings through the force. killing through the force was nothing for revan who did it all the time and many of his other powers were lost when he dissapeared, though NJO did some pretty impressive stuff. also Revans superior lightsaber technique and knowledge of pretty much every force power ever whether jedi or sith and complete knowledge of every minuit detail about both gives him a better shot than alot of people are giving him credit for especially those "Luke hands down" retards.
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Jun 2nd, 2005 11:44 PM |
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Darth_Frobo
Jawa hairstylist..of doom
Registered: May 2005
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
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Oh yah and awseome post darkstar dude u 2 plagues it feels good to argue with someone competent
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Jun 2nd, 2005 11:47 PM |
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Darth_Frobo
Jawa hairstylist..of doom
Registered: May 2005
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
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come on one more for revan come on...
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Jun 2nd, 2005 11:48 PM |
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Darth_DaNThEMaN
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: United StatesAccount Restricted
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Luke.
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Jun 3rd, 2005 01:18 AM |
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Darth_Frobo
Jawa hairstylist..of doom
Registered: May 2005
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
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jerk lol
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Jun 3rd, 2005 02:07 AM |
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Darth_DaNThEMaN
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lol
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Jun 3rd, 2005 02:56 AM |
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Darth Abominus
Senior Member
Registered: May 2005
Location: earth
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luke deflecting sidious' lighting attack in RoTJ? since when? he was screaming in pain begging his pops to help him out.
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Jun 3rd, 2005 04:44 AM |
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