It doesn't matter what Kirby said about the Darkseid of 20 or 30 plus years ago, the only thing that matters is the Darkseid in comics today.
Darkseid is not what he used to be, as for Darkseid being as strong as Galactus at full strength.... not on your life! Stan Lee was quoted as saying that Thor was stronger than the Hulk... yet in nearly all of their conflicts Thor is seen to have gotten the raw end.
Galactus seen fighting the Inbetweener shattered planets with their blows, and they were larger than the planets themselves... if you took time to think of this logically, and not base this fight on a popularity contest you will see the truth.
Tyrant and Galactus were said to have nearly destroyed a universe while in combat. Darkseid may have been said to have all of this power, but not once has he been seen to possess power enough to destroy a universe using only his power and no outside sources.
As far as I know it's just heresay. Can Doomsday beat a fully powered Galactus? Never! Can Doomsday hurt Darkseid? Yes!
Tyrant will destroy Darkseid 10/10
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Darkseid
Uncounted ages ago, the homeworld of the Old Gods split asunder, shattered by Ragnarock, their final war. Out of this Cataclysm were born two worlds. New Genesis, the bright and beautiful planet of renewed hope watched over by Highfather of the New Gods. The other planet, spinning forever in the shadow of it's sister world, dark and sinister Apokolips. The cruel and merciless Darkseid rules this world and all of its inhabitants. He sent forth his Omega Beams to Earth to bring Superman to him (SUP #3). Superman, in his guise as Clark Kent, did not realize these seeker beams were meant for his alter ego, the beams connect and transport him to Apokolips before Darkseid. Darkseid, surprised that his Omega Beams could have faltered, disposes of Kent by throwing him out the window. Superman, after surviving the extreme heat of the Fire Pits, ends up leading a short-lived resistance on Apokolips. Unfortunately the denizens of this world do not know anything but their Lord, Darkseid and swiftly fall back into his servitude.
A resurrected Doomsday plagued Darkseid after the asteroid the Cyborg Superman tied him to came into Contact with a vessel on course to Apokolips. Doomsday wrecked havoc upon Darkseid's forces and then withstood his Omega Beams bringing Darkseid to his knees. Superman learned that Apokolips was having troubles after Desaad called the JLA for help in locating the New Gods. Superman sets off for Apokolips with a Mother Box as his guide. He finds to his astonishment the Cyborg, Hank Henshaw and.... Doomsday. After helping a mortally wounded Darkseid with the Mother Box, Superman confronts Henshaw and tries unsuccessfully to stop Doomsday on Apokolips. Darkseid traps Henshaw's consciousness with his Omega Beams and Superman goes after Doomsday, a trip that leads to depositing Doomsday at the End of Time where he was destroyed. Darkseid is in Superman's debt for his saving his life. Soon after, a body that mysteriously appears in his tomb plagues Superman. He goes to Apokolips to confront Darkseid and finds no answers. While Darkseid knows of his troubles he was not involved. He sends Superman back to Earth and feels the debt repaid. When Kalibre, one of Darkseid's assassins, makes an appearance in Metropolis, Superman is once again forced to go back to Apokolips because of his conscience. When he was last there, he defeated an army of Granny's soldiers. Darkseid ordered Kalibre to kill them all, including his own daughter, Buna. Superman bargains with Darkseid for the lives of the soldiers and Darkseid sends him back to Earth. Then Darkseid releases the Cyborg's consciousness and sends him away from Apokolips. Darkseid only deals with Superman when it benefits his own agenda. He is content to rule his planet and bide his time until opportunity arises.
Darkseid played an integral role in Our Worlds At War, when the threat of Imperiex came to claim the Earth and destroy existence. He allied himself with Lex Luthor, only to be "betrayed" accidentally by Brainiac 13 when the Lexcorp towers fired a blast into Apokolips. He also took John Henry, mortally wounded, back with him.
The war ended with Darkseid taking custody of Doomsday and an uneasy peace. Superman, along with members of the the Superman family, went to Apokolips to retrieve John Henry's body. They managed to save him, but Darkseid released Doomsday.
Recently, Doomsday was released by an angered Darkseid on Earth, and Doomsday plotted to take Kara, the new Supergirl, into his thrall. Doomsday is still at large, but he failed to keep Kara through the combined efforts of Superman and Batman.
Where in all of this, has it mentioned anything about a Darkseid clone or avatar?
I believe all of DS's low showings against guys like Superman, DD and Dr. Fate were retconned into either avatars or Desaad wearing his visage. You should Juntai though. He's the expert on Darkseid retcons.
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cool! where are those scans from, jun? once again the jla works together to enlighten the unenlightened. when we had our little . . . 'spat' ( ) over ds a while back, jun, why didn't you show me these? i wouldn't have had a leg to stand on! and just where IS the true ds, anyway?
It's basically BS... the Darkseid that was owned and, hung up on the source wall of losers was the real Darkseid... don't bother even responding if you have no proof of this not being Darkseid.
Too weak? Orion can go toe to toe with top tiers based on his strength alone. He IS top tier. I don't know where the idea came from that Orion is Class 50-70 which I've actually seen people say on this board.
How did Surfer clean his clock so easily then? and don't tell me that it didn't happen... that was a what if story, and it was agreed on by DC, and Marvel... just remember that no matter what goes on in these threads, they are the true authorities on their characters, not us.
But they aren't canon so it doesn't matter. Check out the forum rules sometime.
Orion's physical strength is at base level on the order of Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel and can further augmented by the AstroForce to an unknown degree. That doesn't take into account all the other things the AstroForce can go do such as shoot planet destroying force blast, control magnetism, control gravity, alter reality to a limited degree, etc, etc. In his true form he destroyed 1/4 of Apokalips. Keep in mind that Apokalips is the size of a galaxy. Also keep in mind that Orion is destined to kill Darkseid. The real Darkseid, not an avatar.
I had no idea Orion was that strong, I saw Superman beat him back in the days that John Byrne drew for the comic.... I however did know that Orion was going to eventually kill Darkseid in that prophesy, but I thought he was goin to get help doing this by his brother Graven.
yeah orion is basically a new god i guess they all have a power that will eventually grow and be a uber power i mean thats how darkside started out it wasnt till his father left the planet that he took over i dont believe he was as strong as he is now though he also purged himself of normal emotion.........litarally
Odin and Infinity caused similar damage and Odin fixed it with a wave of his hand. Marvel's portrayal of mythological characters changed to suit the increasing lack of sophistication of it's writers and readers, resulting in characters like Hulk, Wolverine and Captain America being inflated, sometimes to absurd extremes.
As for Darkseid, he too has been depowered to make room for silly characters as DC developed the same disease. As a result, Darkseid would lose this one.
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