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Heavenly War: Asgardians vs New Gods
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Draco69
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Originally posted by K Von Doom
So it'd be a moot point either way. If the Asgardians travel to W-World, they grow and get a proportionate strength increase. If the New Gods travel to Asgard, they shrink and get a proportionate strength decrease. Still the same.


That's not true. It requires a Boom-Tube. Which the Asgardians do not have.

Anyhoo it depends on the battleground. Both opponents should be in their true forms.


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so then the new gods win 300ft orion vs 7ft thor = this is not funny.


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Wow, only 200? That really changes things... I dunno, though. If they get to be in their true forms, I think the Asgardians are screwed. If they boom tube to Asgard, they're in trouble.

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What if Surtur helps out? He's like a 1000 feet tall. He's from Mushpheleim, a dimension in Asgard. In disassembled he reforged the Mjolnir for Thor. Odin has his Gungnir and his Scepter, Thrudstok(channels cosmic energy), Ulik and the rest of his troll race, they are also based in a dimension Asgard, Ymir and his Ice giants from Nifhelheim, another Asgardian based dimension, beings like Kurse and what not.

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On the Nine Worlds of the Asgardian dimension system, there are six different races of intelligent humanoid beings.

The gods are the most human-looking and powerful race of the six. The origin of the gods is shrouded in legend. It is believed that they are not native to the dimension of Asgard, but were born on Earth and relocated there at some point in the distant past. The gods of Asgard were worshipped about eh millennium ago by the Norsemen of Scandinavia and various Germanic tribes (who called them by variant names; e.g. Wotan instead of Odin). The gods no longer have or actively seek worshippers on Earth. Certain gods, notable Thor and Odin, still take interest in the welfare of humanity. The gods possess certain superhuman physical attributes. They are extremely long-lived (though not immortal like the Olympian gods), aging at an extraordinarily slow rate upon reaching adulthood. Asgardian flesh and bone is about three times denser than similar human tissue, contributing to the gods' superhuman strength and weight. An average male god can lift about 30 tons; an average female god can lift about 25 tons. Gods are immune to all terrestrial diseases and resistant to conventional injury. The metabolism of the gods gives them superhuman endurance in all physical activities. Pictured here are many of the most prominent gods. Other important gods have their own entries.

The second race of Asgard is the Giants, whose dwelling place is Jotunheim. The Giants are basically humanoid in appearance and color, although they tend toward the neanderthalic in body and bone structure. Their most distinguishing feature is their height. The average Giant is twenty feet tall, although some reach up to thirty feet. On occasion, Giants will produce stunted offspring who o look similar to the Gods. Loki and the Executioner are both children of Giants, despite their diminutive six or seven foot stature. Giants tend to lead a simple hunter/gatherer type of existence, but their great resentment of the Gods' superior attributes frequently incite them to wage war against the Gods. Giants are frequently sub-classified by their locate: Storm Giants live in the mountains, while Frost Giants live in the frozen tundra. The eldest Frost Giant is Ymir.

The third race of Asgard is the Dwarves. Dwarves are smaller in stature than the gods, and have squat, stocky bodies. Their average height is four feet. The Dwarves tend to be craftsmen and farmers who maintain friendly trade and peace relations with the Gods. Dwarves dwell in the land of Nidavellir, which is part of the landmass where Asgard and Vanaheim are situated. Dwarves have crafted such Asgardian weapons as the hammer Mjolnir and the spear Gungnir, although it was the magic of Odin that imbued these objects with their special enchantments.

The fourth race of Asgard is the Elves. There are tow types of Elves, the Dark Elves and the Light Elves, and each dwell in their own separate world, Svartalfheim and Alfheim, respectively. Elves of both kinds vary greatly in size, from four to eight feet. They tend toward slender bodies with proportionately long limbs, although there are exceptions. The Light Elves tend to be lighter in color than the Dark Elves, and dwell on the surface while the Dark Elves dwell underground. Both types have a natural proclivity towards magic.

The fifth race of Asgard is the Trolls. The Trolls re the least human-looking of the denizens of the worlds of Asgard, possessing body characteristics that are almost simian. Trolls are stocky and massive, have thick body hair (almost fur), and tend toward a ruddy orange in color. They are on the average taller than the Gods but shorter than the Giants, around seven feet tall, although some Trolls are considerably taller. They live in scattered settlements throughout Asgard, Vanaheim, Jotunheim, and Svartalfheim, mostly underground. The Trolls toil as miners and metalworkers. As belligerent as the Giants, Trolls make up in craftiness what they lack in size. Trolls tend to be extremely strong, stronger than the average God, Dwarf, or Elf, and on a part with the Giants. Certain Trolls like Ulik rival the thunder god Thor in strength. The Trolls dislike the other races of Asgard, particularly the Gods, and have as little to do with them as possible unless the opportunity for conquest presents itself. The Trolls of the Asgard Mountains are currently united under the leadership of Geirrodur, although revolutions are commonplace.

The sixth race of Asgard is the Demons. The Demons are beings of fire who dwell in Muspelheim, but sometimes venture to the other worlds in the name of war. A nomadic race, the Demons are the offspring of the great fire demon Surtur, whose existence is said to precede that of the Gods. The Demons tend to be about eh same stature as the Gods. Other than Surtur, no other individual Asgardian Demon is known.


long you have to clarify who the New Gods are fighting. Asgardians are basically anyone listed above. If it's all of Asgard, I see it going the way of Odin, Thor, and Surtur.


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I reread your first post on this thread, and it mentioned All Asgardians. If it's all of them, they win. People think Asgard is just a floating castle or something, when it's an entirely different world of it's own.


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Isn't "Asgard" just one part of the nine worlds, the city where Thor, Odin, Baldur... etc spend most of their time? Those gods are always referred to as Asgardians but beings like Hel, Surtur, Ymir are not. ie "Asgard" is the name of their actual city.

The Trolls, Frost Giants, Fire Giants... Nifleheim, Muspelheim... are separate from Asgard... hence, those beings wouldn't be part of the Asgardian contingent. I could be wrong though. lol

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Yes, not everyone from or near Asgard are Asgardians, I realize the numbers difference, that's why I said that. Kurse isn't an Asgardian, neither is Loki the frost giant.

I may have been too vague, though.

The New Gods are a bit more than 200, just not shown, and I was including Darkseid and his Kalibak and the new Gods on Apok.

The numbers difference isn't too much to make a difference when you add in all their respective technology.

And JEEEEEZ everyone jumped me for saying most New Gods can lift around 60tons, I only said this because I read it. Like I read that most Asgardians can lift 20-30 tons. My bad embarrasment


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So, only the human looking ones are Asgardians? All those I listed there are part of the Six Different Races of Asgard. So there not asgardians? Is Surtur a Suturarian? Muspheliamian? Demon, yes, but a demon from Asgard, which makes him an ASGARDIAN DEMON... Or is he a normal anti-christian/catholic demon? How bout Ulik? Is a Trollian? You get my point. All Asgardians win. Ymir is a Frost Giant, but since he's from Asgard or one of it's nine dimensions, he's an ASGARDIAN FROST GIANT big grin


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WRONG!

Nah you'e probably right, I dunno. big grin

You knew what I meant by Asgardians. stick out tongue


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Normal New Gods will win.


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Oh hell, if it's all six races of Asgard, the New Gods are getting RAPED. I was just assuming Thor and his people, but I think say ASGARDIANS should mean the giants and elves and trols, etc. Expecially since you're bringing in Darkseid and Kalibak and those from Apokolips.

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So, only the human looking ones are Asgardians? All those I listed there are part of the Six Different Races of Asgard. So there not asgardians? Is Surtur a Suturarian? Muspheliamian? Demon, yes, but a demon from Asgard, which makes him an ASGARDIAN DEMON... Or is he a normal anti-christian/catholic demon? How bout Ulik? Is a Trollian? You get my point. All Asgardians win. Ymir is a Frost Giant, but since he's from Asgard or one of it's nine dimensions, he's an ASGARDIAN FROST GIANT big grin


Wow gd point and i liked the way you said it.

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again - 1000's v about 200. no way in hel tech is gonna make up THAT big a difference. and of those 200 the bulk of the power lies in about 25 of them. and loki is odin's adopted son and is considered an asgardian. unless you're just saying forget loki because it's your thread so you can do that. smile

and i'm not too sure about draco's GIANT new gods. perhaps that was true at one point, but there have been many much more recent visits of characters to new genesis and apokolips and the new gods have never been shown to be giants. could it just be something that was phased out over time?


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No no.
I really only thought true Asgardians were the humanoids who were connected to Thor.
There are like 500 or so of 'em that I know of.

And by bringing in Darkseid and Kalibak, I was just bringing in them, not the entire planet full of robots and mutated warriors.

If you're not a God you can't fight in this war....


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No, the New Gods are all giants. They only look our size because of the boomtube.

When someone traveled to new gen by magical means, they were the size of an ant.

It's definatly not phased out.


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cosmic odyssey for one - the new gods were definitely not giants. i have other recent issues that depict them the same as anyone else when people visit new genesis. and supes has visited apok a number of times and darkseid is not giant. is it only on new genesis? that doesn't seem to make much sense.

and odin has led the 'legions' of asgard into many wars. there are thousands - they filled the rainbow bridge. asgardians are, i assume, those who live in the city of asgard. what about someone like fandral? he's asgardian but not a 'god' - at least not of anything i've ever heard of. all the warrior's 3 are the same. asgard is peopled with thousands of warriors. if you're not counting them, then basically you're saying thor and odin and balder. what about the grand vizier? heimdal? hugin and munin?

your description of asgardians is too vague.


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Thor has referred to himself as an Aesir so this could be what the human looking ones are called.

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The only way for Superman or most anyone to get to NewGen or Apok is through a BoomTube, the BT changes the passenger to the size of the people on new gen.

Orion has told Superman that the earth is but a speck compaired to New Gen.

They are friggin huge, most definatly giants.

Very vague, because I can't name every single person to fight.

The idea was Odin and his closet warriors vs Skyfather and his closest warriors.

But if Odin is going to have 10x the people then it's not much of a fight, unless the New Gods can be giants, and their power would grow proportionatly.


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Hmm, that goes more along the lines of what I meant.
The Aesir are humanoids.

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The Aesir gods are the gods under the leadership of Odin, included Balder , Brag, Forseti, Freyr, Heimdall , Hod, Loki, Njord, Thor, Tyr , Vili and Ve


That's not very many, might even it up better?


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IMO this is an uneven match, Asgard is just a city in the Norse God Realm, its just like the USA but not the whole Earth. But the New GOds world is one freakin WORLD !!!

So someone said above that they have to include, Frost Giants, Demons, Underworld dudes, and shit. this is true !!

If its just Asgard vs. New GOds, Asgard goes waaaaaaayyyyyyyy down !!


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