1st. In the process of nuclear fusion heavier elements such as iron are created that can no longer be fused and then descend into the center of the star where they are compressed by the force of gravity and the tremendous weight of the gas and plasma contained within the star itself forming a solid core. It's the motion of the highly charged plasma particles circling this solid iron core that generates the star's magnetic sphere. When a star goes supernova all that is left is it's solid iron core which is the mass of several Earth's compressed into a solid sphere about ten miles in diameter.
2nd. As for feats when Champion had the power gem he was able to destroy a planet with a single blow. Logically Drax would be able to generate that same level of power. HP Doomsday has never been hit with that much power. That particular version of Superman isn't even close to as powerful as later versions.
3rd. Flash can beat Superman in a fist fight, does that mean that he can lift more than him as well?
4th. Mentor himself stated that Drax is capable of limitless strength. Not only has he torn out a star core, he has also one shotted Champion, ripped apart Thanos' shields, punched a hole through Thanos' body, and held Silver Surfer's board in place preventing an escape.
5th. Drax, being an intelligent (somewhat) being, is capable of regulating the power of his blows. HP Doomsday is little more that a wild animal in constant all out berserker mode. So what's my point? Drax can punch a hole through someone as tough an Eternal, but Doomsday, whose fist is covered in bony protrusions that have been proven to be sharp enough to cut Superman, isn't capable of punching a hole through Superman, Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, or even Steel.
I don't know where you get your science from but Iron cannot exist in solid form under the extreme temperature and pressure of the core of the sun. It's impossible. It is a well established fact that the core of the sun is purely gas and plasma. The core of the sun is what fuels its energy. It is where nuclear fusion is taking place. When iron cools it becomes solid. We even have several Marvel characters from the standing in the core of a star. If the core was solid then the characters would have no where to stand except the outer portion of the star.
Champion is not Drax. The rate in which one character can draw from the PG has no bearing on another. Champion only gained that type of power after many blows (much time) and under severe anger. Even when he did, he still had to go up into the upper atmosphere to gain enough momentum to just to do feat. A punch from the planets surface would be astronomically more powerful than a punch thrown from a head start building up momentum. This means that he didn't even have the power to bust a planet while standing on it. A character must show how much they can draw in order for it to be valid on this forum.
No! OWAW Superman is just as powerful, if not more, than today's Superman. DD has proven to be even stronger than him in the same arc. The version of DD in this thread wasn't specified and thus you showed your bias by first arguing the weakest version of DD against Drax greatest feat. This is the classic case of low balling and high balling your character.
Again, even Marvel stated that Drax had a unique ability to pass through Thanos force field (it had nothing to do with strength). And you would be going against the majority of the forum if you assume that Drax feats against Thanos had something to do with strength only.
Ever heard of the combo to ko? Well DD will combo Drax to ko before he can make an action. Drax will lose in a matter of moments.
1. Our sun doesn't represent every star. There are many different types some of which are solid i.e neutron stars, white dwarves brown dwarves ect. Superman has a key in his fortress, and when asked by Lois he told her that it is made from a neutron star.
2. The version of Doomsday IS stated at the beginning of the thread. I picked the HP version of Superman because that was the version that faced HP Doomsday. OWAW came AFTER Hunter Prey.
I picked the example of Champion destroying the planet to illustrate the potential of the power gem. I chose the star core example to display Drax's potential strength. Combine the two together and you get something significantly more powerful than anything HP Doomsday had faced. Assuming that just because Doomsday beat up Superman therefore he can easily handle Drax doesn't make it so. The two are apples and oranges. Superman is just another biological organism like most comic book characters. Drax is something much more different. Basically just a human soul grafted onto a body artificially created (with dirt if I remember right)by a GOD. Physiologically he would be closer to Doomsday himself than Superman. Lacking the same biological systems Drax simply wouldn't experience pain in the same manner as Superman does.
Drax will win this all the way even if DD is immune to the way Drax killed him does not change the fact Drax will just be kicking a unbreakable ball but whose the kicking?? Drax! so he is superior.
Our sun (an average star) represents every star in comics until mentioned otherwise. Neutron stars, Red giants, etc. are explicitly mentioned in comics. Neutron stars still have a plasma core. When cooled then it becomes solid (just like the iron in a star after a nova). That is why Lois was able to pick it up without it burning her.
You must didn't read much of the Doomsday saga because according to canon OWAW DD is HP DD. Brainiac saves HP DD from the end of time and then DD becomes trapped in a stasis field. Then Later, in OWAW, he is released to fight the probes.
The PG has infinite potential. But potential is useless if it remains untapped. Drax hasn't proven to know how to tap into the PG sufficiently enough to show an significant increase. Hell, some characters in comics (more intelligent ones) didn't have a clue on how to use some of the infinity gems and other characters were shown to be natural at using them. The star feat is reduced to an energy causation feat because of a star's makeup. If not, then DD still proved stronger than a being who exceeded that feat several times over. DD being stronger than Superman has nothing to do with him beating him up. It has something to do with him overpowering DD when they grappled up and DD hitting far harder than him in OWAW.
Who cares about pain? A ko is a ko, with or without pain. And Drax several times shown he can feel pain in comics after being hit with powerful attacks.
Lastly, Superman has resisted forces far above what Drax ever shown in comics. Yet DD is able to penetrate him like liquid on occassion. He simply murders Drax.
So, Superman IS NOT Doomsday and Drax IS NOT Superman. Doomsday was created to be able to survive against and kill anything on Krypton, thus making him especially deadly to Superman. Drax was created to kill Thanos. If you want to point out Doomsday killing Superman as his most significant feat than it's only fair to point to Drax killing Thanos. Killing Thanos is MUCH more impressive than killing Superman.
I'm more than willing to concede that HP Doomsday and OWAW Doomsday are the same continuation of the same character. What you're forgetting is that by the end of that comic when Superman and Doomsday finally fight each other Superman realizes that Doomsday can now feel fear and doubt. He also realizes that it was his own fear of Doomsday that made it so formidable. He overcomes his fear and wipes his ass with Doomsday. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that Drax would experience the same fear fighting Doomsday, it simply isn't in character. Doomsday going up against Imperiex and it's drones isn't any more impressive than Drax fighting Tyrant. The difference is Drax survived his battle.
DD wasn't created to defeat Superman. There was no such thing as Superman at the time of his creation. DD was created to beat ANYTHING (including Drax). That is why many attacks (even non kryptonian ones) had no effect on him. He slaughtered thousands of GL even before facing Superman. In HP, the clear intention was that DD was beyond death (and not just beyond Superman).
Drax killing Thanos isn't impressive if we take that his genetic makeup or unique bodily chemistry allows him to bypass Thanos defenses and skin more easily. DD killing Superman was done by brute force, not a special chemical in his body or kryptonite or any other such plot device.
The DD that gained intelligence was a totally different one from HP DD. This is because Imperiex killed HP DD. Later DD was regrown in lab only to have gained intelligence. The comic pointed out that both his intelligence and new ability to fear made him weaker. This is not HP DD my friend, but rather DD Rex (a much weaker version).
Not only DD would wreck Drax before Drax can make an action but
DD has evolution ability. Besides a HF, DD can instantly evolve resistance to whatever is harming him. The only way to beat HP DD is to one shot him (to prevent him from evolving resistance). And Drax isn't one shotting DD (assuming DD just sat there and let Drax attack first).
Wrong! The PG would do almost nothing for Drax. He doesn't know how to use it well at all. Second, DD would rip him to shreds in a matter of moments before Drax can take an action.
I never said Doomsday was created to destroy Superman specifically. He was created on Krypton (the harshest environment in the universe I assume considering Bertron's goal) to be "evolved" into the ultimate survivor. You yourself said HP Doomsday is OWAW Doomsday. The sense of fear I alluded to was in OWAW. Either they're the same or they arent, you can't have it both ways. Doomsday doesn't instantly evolve to resist any attack. He didn't instantly evolve when he was finally beaten fighting the Green Lanterns, he didn't instantly adapt before he was killed by Radiant, he didn't instantly adapt to Brainiac's mind control, he didn't instantly adapt when Superman killed him, he didn't instantly adapt to Imperiex, he didn't instantly adapt when he was pummeled to death by a dozens of Kandorians. Get the point? Doomsday is definitely capable of being taken out by someone of Drax's powerset AND also has the Power Gem. I provided feats that demonstrate Drax's power levels. You've done nothing to prove that Doomsday is capable of resisting something like being ripped apart (I don't buy Drax being able to rip apart a star core but not strong enough to tear Doomsday's head off), or blasted to oblivion with energy (especially considering the Radiant and Green Lantern incidences). Hunter Prey meant it clear that Doomsday was beyond "permanent death", that doesn't mean that he can't temporarily "die" like he has several times in the past. I don't doubt for a second that if Doomsday were to have his head ripped off that he would then eventually evolve beyond that, but by then the match is over and Drax is the winner.
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You are so funny. DD didn't fear in OWAW. It was after when he was resurrected that he feared, which is a totally different DD (not HP).
Each DD is defined by his incarnation AFTER DEATH. That means if DD doesn't die then it is the same one. If DD dies and then comes back then it is a different DD.
DD evolved (after his death from Superman) to the point where he didn't need to die in order evolve resistance. He gained a new power, which was the ability to evolve on the fly without having to die first. The DD versions you speak of aren't HP DD. To be clear with you, HP DD is the DD after Superman killed him up to the point before his death against Imperiex. Any other DD is NOT HP DD.
No, the writer's intention in HP was that nothing in the universe can kill him (even temporarily) except a place where even time and space can not exist. That is why Darkseid said what he said after the OE failed to kill him. It was retconned later in OWAW that the second thing that can kill him is Imperiex. But Imperiex had the power of entropy (which is found at the end of time). So basically, still only 1 thing could kill HP DD and nothing more.
I said the only way to kill DD is to one shot him. Imperiex one shotted him and that is why DD lost. The other DD you speak of (especially the clones) are not HP DD and don't belong in the debate.
If Drax could rip HP apart then why haven't beings that are stronger than him were unable. HP DD has only been killed by forces that dwarf Drax. Assuming, Drax could rip DD then he won't. Why? Because DD will rip him before Drax get the chance to make an action.
Lastly, DD is the most durable non abstract being (besides Juggs) in all of comics. I doubt that Drax could even harm him at all. If Superman who is much stronger than Drax is weaker than DD then DD should be Drax's superior as well.
So it happened in OWAW but it's not the same? Whenever Doomsday is "killed" when it comes back it is supposed to be even more powerful than before. Waverider made that pretty clear. Meaning the version Superman beat down at the end should've been just as powerful as HP Doomsday except evolved to the point that Imperiex's blast would no longer "kill" it. Doomsday may be able to come back from death, but so can Drax. Except when Drax comes back he is evolved to a point where he can kill Thanos. When Drax had the power gem Thanos had the Reality Gem, meaning that that version of Drax's baseline would have been strong enough to kill Thanos with the Reality Gem. If that is who Doomsday is facing AND he has the Power Gem then he is far more powerful than anything HP Doomsday had ever faced, including Superman. He is powerful enough to not only kill Thanos, but also withstand a blast from Thanos WITH a Cosmic Cube, destroy stars, and is capable of generating and absorbing forces strong enough to destroy stars, planets, and moons. Fast enough to intercept a starship. He survived fighting not only Thanos, but Tyrant as well, yet he's not powerful enough or fast enough to survive fighting Doomsday? In Hunter/Prey, Superman was able to cut into Doomsday's hide with an energy sword, what makes you think that Drax can't simply take it's head off with an energy blast. And how do you figure that Doomsday is the most durable non abstract other than Juggernaut? You're forgetting Destroyer, Ultron, World Breaker Hulk, and Kurse. That's just on the Marvel side.
Last edited by Brockalizer on Sep 11th, 2011 at 03:51 AM
Dud you don't know you are talking about, Classic Drax would have the ability to tap into Gem, basically having the Gem does increase you durability and strength. Classic Drax had the ability to absorb cosmic energy to increase his abilities at will, like the eternals. Classic Drax was strong enough to fight Thanos, and their blows caused the planet to blow up from the sheer force.
I wonder as does everybody else, do think before you speak, or the crap that comes out your brain over whelms your common sense or is it just pure ignorance!?
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Sep 9th, 2011 04:27 AM
you are talking about, Classic Drax would have the ability to tap into Gem, basically having the Gem does increase you durability and strength. Classic Drax had the ability to absorb cosmic energy to increase his abilities at will, like the eternals. Classic Drax was strong enough to fight Thanos, and their blows caused the planet to blow up from the sheer force. 
