hey man kreia is a chick and according to snoop dogg,"Bitches ain't Shit"
and we all know how much snoop knows about star wars, come one guys study the facts not your made up sarcasm!
Do realize you contradict yourself almost every time you post? My feat wars are in response to your feat wars, just to show you how stupid it is. Actually, my feat wars are more valid, because unlike your feat wars, mine are actually fact. Its a fact that Kreia studied the ancient sith knowledge on Malachor. How can you seriously claim that 'Yoda is a force master' is a fact? Rediculous...can you even properly define being a 'force master'?
And yes Kreia lost to Nihilus, anyone would. Kreia never lost to Sion, Sion just beat up a defenseless old woman, after Nihilus drained her of the force.
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And do you realize how ridiculous you sound because of your lack of reading comprehension skills? I didn't list feat wars and neither did you, I was just showing you an example of your faulty logic. And since when are your examples more valid exactly? How are mine not a fact? Yoda is a lightsaber master, and Yoda is the greatest force master in the galaxy during his entire life.. These are facts. Now please look up the definition of "Feat wars" and "Facts" before posting again, thank you.
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Listing things such as 'Yoda is a lightsaber master' is considered feat wars. You arent applying a context why Yoda would win the fight, just spouting off random Yoda achievements, that by the way are NOT fact. You thinking Yoda is a 'force master' is subjective interpretation.....not to mention you cant even define the term 'force master'. Your telling me to look up the definition of feat wars and facts? Self-pwnage.
Guys yoda is a three foot sword master, do you think kreia is better than ROTS sids, if so back it up, and if not back it up, but honestly im basing this off what i saw in the video game(which was her ORIGINAL beginings, and where she was that up)she didnt impress me, however Yoda DID impress me!
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Self-Pwnage huh. Except that Yoda is spoken of as a force master in the novels, and in the GL commentary on one of the first 3 movies, in Dark Rendezvous, etc.. I don't have to define the term "force master", the movies do that for me. He has a mastery over the force, just like Sidious does, through his various force powers and defenses..
1. Think
2. Type
3. Repeat
Oh yea, "self pwnage"..
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As always, the point goes straight over your head.
It doesnt matter if the ROTS novel stated Yoda as a 'force master', because it isnt defined. Force master as opposed to what? Are you saying Yoda could perhaps defeat the ancient sith? To what degree does 'force master' go? Until you can explain that, your just spouting off nonsense that has no applicable context to this fight.
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An obvious mastery of the force... As in the grand master of the Jedi order, or the greatest light the darkness has ever seen, a force master doesn't have to be defined. His force abilities have been seen, and the simple fact that he is listed as a force master, and Kreia was not, says something. I'm really not trying to destroy your argument right now because this is getting boring, but you seem to grasp the fact that Yoda was the best of the best in his time.. Kreia seemed like nothing more than a historian, spewing out her stupid sith ideals and philosophy.
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Again you spout off vague descriptions, without applying context to why Yoda would win the fight. And you seem to be missing what Im arguing here, Im not arguing for Kreia or Yoda, because its plain that no valid proof can be obtained for either one winning. Kreia throughout KOTOR II was shown to have a mastery of the dark side, thats obvious considering she can:
-Kill multiple jedi masters with a wave of the hand.
-Levitate and fight with three lightsabers at the same time.
-Foresee thousands of years into the future.
-Kill nine sith assasins all at the same time. Again, no effort.
She also had access to knowledge, powerful sith knowledge, that has long been forgotten in Yodas age.
How can you show that Yodas 'mastery' of the force, is greater than Kreias? Oh right you cant. Pull your head out of your ass.
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One thing you fail to understand is that gameplay isn't canon. The other thing you forget to understand is that "wave of the hand" is the instakill technique she posseses because of the exile, so that's useless. Levitating 3 lightsabers isn't very impressive, absorbing force lightning and/or shooting it back is more impressive in my opinion. I do give her props because she has the foreseeing ability of the greatest of the ancient sith. Unfortunately this won't help her in a battle with one of the greatest..
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One thing you fail to understand is that all the feats I listed are not gameplay, but rather cinematic. The other thing you fail to understand is that even if Kreia didnt have access to her instakill technique without Exile(which is certainly debateable) just the fact that she was able to harness it without actually becoming a wound in the force shows her mastery of the dark side. Its good you give her props for foreseeing thousands of years into the future, because its unlikely Yoda could do the same. And the actual foreseeing wont help in a battle yes, but it conveys how powerful she is...again you cant even begin to prove why Yoda would have a greater mastery of the force than Kreia, and so you have no argument.
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Yoda has foresight, Yoda mastered all forms of lightsaber combat except Vapaad, Yoda is able to withstand force lightning, to absorb it, to push it back, Yoda displayed great force abilities against his fight with Sidious, and I believe he did some amazing things in the Dark Rendezvous book, so I do have an argument.. You still fail to understand however that once Kreia tied her life to the exile, she DID become a wound in theory. THerefore all the powers the exile had, she had, if he died she died and vice versa. Her ability to tie her life to his also shows that she is VERY powerful, and I never disputed that, but in a 1 on 1 fight with Yoda, which is what THIS is, I don't think she stands a chance of victory.
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'Yoda has mastered all forms of lightsaber combat'
Proof?
'Yoda is able to withstand force lightning, to absorb it, to push it back'
Granted, but it doesnt seem *that* impressive to me. Nothing that would show Yoda is the more powerful.
'Yoda displayed great force abilities against his fight with Sidious'
He...pushed away lightning. You arent going anywhere Td, perhaps you should give it up.
'And I believe he did some amazing things in the Dark Rendezvous book'
He defeated Dooku, again, and redirected a missle in orbit. Not bad, but these arent the power blows that win debates Td.
---->You can think whatever you want, I wont say that you cant have a certain opinion, but if you want to attempt a valid argument of why Yoda would win then you better find some decent support.<---------
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Uh I am offering an argument why Yoda is better than Kriea in a ONE ON ONE FIGHT, while you're wasting posts on why my argument supposedly isn't going nowhere.. And yes, he absorbed Sidious' lightning, he shot the lightning back at Dooku, and he stopped a hurling pod at him and shot it back at Sidious. Those are examples of force mastery. I'm not saying Kreia isn't powerful she is, but there is very little she would be able to do against a dancing muppet. Three lightsabers aren't impressive at all, so in a saber fight, he would tear her in pieces. In the force, especially without her instakill, wtf is she going to do that Sidious didn't do?
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Meaning what? My argument seems half assed to me and it is, but I believe I'm getting SOME point across.. If not, who cares, I don't see any logical nor convincing argument from the other side.. Damn Halo 2...
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And my point is...again...Kreia has also shown feats of force mastery. Can you show us that Yodas force mastery is the greater? Your opinion that Yoda would tear Kreia to pieces has no value, it is unsupported. Quit denying it and accept the truth; you cant prove Yoda has any definate edge on Kreia.
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Yes I'm playing Halo 2. And GV your past 5+ posts have been dedicated to trying to prove that I CANT prove Yoda is more powerful than Kreia, instead of trying to prove Kreia is more powerful than Yoda. Please explain then, how Kreia's "Force mastery" would be helpful in a 1 on 1 fight with a smaller, quicker, lightsaber/force master..
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