i think thanos should be very high on the list. hes often called mad, but his actions are very calculated and cold. hes not a maniac like the joker, and his murderous intentions go alot further than most of these people. he doesnt want to rule anything, hed rather wipe out an entire race rather than have them worship him. hes made mephisto wary of dealing with him. he even manipulated the surfer into helping him kill possibly millions of lives, just by listening to him. he teleported around showing surfer some planets, and at the end told him the surfer had already helped him by carrying bacteria from one planet to another where nobody has any resistance to it. by the time the surfer could to anything about it a large amount of the population was already dead.
but then it could be argued that he isnt evil at all. he does everything out of love, death represents a natural part of existence, and she takes the souls where they should end up, so he might not even consider it murder, just moving souls from one place to another. he has a unique perspective.
Lucifer he is the father of the lie the orginal serpent all of these evil beings and just evil peroid come from him death, wars, genocide etc. all of these characters you speak about are not even close...
Which Lucifer do you mean, The Morningstar brother is a weird one because he is not portrayed as the evil incarnate being of the bible. Hes more of a flawed angel with too much pride and arrogance.
The point was not taken from any comic book fact. You simply went on religious and Biblical bias, therefore your point was totally invalid.
The Lucifer I am referring to, is the one from Vertigo Comics, and although he is evil, he is not AS evil as Urizen, QZTR, or even Joker...he is not wickedly sadist like they are.
But your human perception of good and evil, right and wrong, are taken from religious sources. Other religions, don't view murder and deceptions as 'evil' acts. I was making a very valid point. Even in the case of considering it wholly seperate from comics, I was STILL making a valid point. Don't get condecending with me. I'm the one making the post, I'll judge myself if I feel I made a valid contribution or not.
Lucifer is written as a more calculating evil, but far more evil than the likes of the characters you named. Especially since his comic, is from biblical viewpoint of good and evil. The aforementioned by myself. You see him as "free thinking", God saw him as evil and made him lord of hell. Get it? Good.
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Lucifer in DC/Vertigo is way more evil then all of them. He rebelled against "the Creator" who made Lucifer about the most powerful being ever on par with Michael, and outdone only by The Word and God/The Presence. When Dream, sent Cain to Hell to tell Lucifer he was coming Cain had a mental breakdown just by looking at Lucifer and seeing how scary he is.
1) Lucifer from Vertigo comics is not entirely based on the Lucifer from the Bible, quite infact in a Lucifer biography, Lucifer is tired of the reputation that mortals percieve of him to be. He is tired of the "Bible" and other religions misrepresenting him.
2) Lucifer is evil in the calculating way yes. But you say he is most evil, basically because he goes against the Creator. Don't ALL of these villians go against the so called "creator" since they are all evil? What is your point?
3) Your point is purely religious bias.....You brought up the Bible as a reason, and the Bible does not support anything about Lucifer from Vertigo comics, simply for reason # 1.
4) MY definition of evil is religious bias as well? I am not religious, so where are you getting at? How do you figure? I am looking at the characters themselves, and then explaining who i think is the most evil and why....i included nothing but comic book fact into this, while you brough the Bible up,...and your best reason for why you think Lucifer is most evil is because he is against Yahweh...o0o0o wow...big deal, as if no one ever did anything against God on this list
Nope...there is nothing to support that. We know nothing about Spawn's version of Satan, in fact Spawn's version of God isn't totally good...so why would his version of Satan be absolutely evil?
Urizen was so evil and powerful that Heaven and Hell HAD to make an alliance to stop him. WTF does that tell you ?????
Why the hell would Heaven and Hell make an alliance? Why would God and Satan work together to stop Urizen, if he wasn't worse than Satan????
The Juggernaut has joined the X-men before...These other people that have been mentioned have had no intention to EVER join the side of good....That immediately eliminates Juggernaut.
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