Cap is certainly more durable against magical attacks. However all three characters have taken insane damage before. Idon't see Cap being "above" Superman in durability. He's just more durable against certain attacks as is Superman against certain attacks.
Little known fact, Captain Marvel can be shifted back to his human state with a powerful electrical charge. Captain Nazi regularly used this nasty tactic against him.
Despite the fact she would dodge and parry the majority of his sloppy blows, strengthwise they're in the same ballpark. Do to editorial inconsistances there's no clear who's stronger. I'd like to think they're even as they been shown to be in War of Gods storyline.
Durability, Cap as a slight edge. But more of her blows will land than his to hers. And her blows are gonna be far more painful and lethal due to her skill. A triple roundhouse kick is gonna hurt more than a simple swipe or haymaker.
And you're misunderstand Solomon's Wisdom. Solomon gives him a kind of RPG guidance. Kinda like "Maybe we should go to the fiery mountaintop with this plain yellow key that may open something there...." THAT kind of wisdom. Solomon doesn't grant him more intelligence, or tactical prowess or even wisdom at that. It just grants him some guidance for crucial moments like what button to press when a nuclear weapon is about to go off.
He specifically stated "I don't THINK anybody else could survive it" It's hearsay. If the terrasect bomb permanently turned CM inside out and his magical invulnerability somehow shifted him back than I would be impressed.
It doesn't seem anything Superman, Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter couldn't have survived.
And I would disagree. They're all in the same ballpark that it really doesn't show too much of discernable difference.
I sincerely doubt Marvel's strength is dramatically stronger than WW when Zeus and Jupiter declared them equals in the War of the Gods storyline. Marvel was meant to be the champion of the Roman Gods and Diana was meant to be the champion of the Greek Gods.
Jesse Quick broke the barrier to the Speed Force out of sheer rage. She was chasing the villain believed to kill her father. It was kind of a one time thing for her. Diana however managed to catch up to even though Jesse was going at lightspeed or above.
Everything's being retconned. I would think this forum is immune to the retcons because they're ongoing and they don't make sense yet.
What's getting retconned by the way?
WW is so late I'm still unsure if she can still fly....
That's your presumption on strength which i disagree to some extent.
I ranked them to who would win a fight.
And Captain Marvel's alleged "superior" strength and slight edge in durability is going to do much against a person who's as strong as him, as fast as him and can take alot of his hits with the major exception being that Diana is far, far more experienced and skilled than him.
If we were discussing an anonymous Class 11 character with bulletproof durability with very poor fighting skills versus a Class 10 character with slightly bulletproof durability with thousands of years of experience and mastered numerous MAs, 99% of us would go with the latter person winning.
We all agreed that Princess Powerful would lose to Cap despite her enormous strength advantage and durability advantage because of her lack of fighting skills in comparision to Cap.
Some also argued that Spider-Man would beat Wonder-Girl because he was more experienced and skilled despite the fact that he was nowhere near her strength, speed and durability.
What happened here...?
Black Adam is like Namor. A frothing dog in combat who uses his skills solely for lethal purposes. Diana is cold, calculated and more importantly tactical in combat. Plus she's far more skilled.
It's quite an impressive feat. A tesseract bomb is nothing insignificant. I don't see Diana surviving something similar, or staying conscious through it if she did.
I know Superman can survive it with ease as he's already done so when tesseract energy was about to destroy earth.
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Diana could survive it. Everyone forget she has magical invulnerability too...? Her Gaea-bound healing factor would help as well.
However we don't know how far she was from Earth and for how long. Diana slowly (very; it takes months) but surely gets weaker when she's not in contact with the Earth.
The pain is debatable but she survived torture from Desaad, the God of Torture for nearly three hour so...
I don't think (or at least would hope) that nobody forgot her magical invulnerability. Do you think the she could survive being turned inside out like that or at least not be ko'd by the same thing?
The desaad example isn't that great considering batgod did it for a much longer amount of time and somehow managed to make desaad kill himself.
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Agree to disagree Draco. I've more than had my fill of Shazam Vs Wonder Woman.
As for whats being retconned, it's their Gods being the same. Captain Marvel doesn't use the strength of Hercules anymore than he uses the strength of Doomsday. They're just names.
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In almost every other battle in this forum, SOmeonw with greater skill wins the match. How is it then that CM who is not proven to be stronger than Diana, or Faster, all of sudden beating her? No one is giving good enough reasons.
If nvrbeenwithagirl and Olympian stop bringing the nonsense up...
Ah. So Shazam just gave him Superman-level strength out of nowhere. That's smart. It clears out the editorial consistency of "Diana has the strength of Gaea, greater than that of Hercules but she's weaker than CM who shares the strength of Hercules and Diana is second to Superman for some reason."
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Diana Survived Being Turned into nothingness by Medusa's own daughter decay. She can survive the tesseract bomb. As a matter of Fact, Diana survived a nuclear explosion that was meant to destroy more than a city with her bare body. She simply covered it up. So many people are discounting her and for what I just don't know.
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What non sense did I bring up? Show me what I said that was non sense. I was the one who recalled that Diana stale mated CM in war of the gods. was that non sense? Or are you just jumping on the band wagon with every one else who chooses to say I'm talking non sense without ever even reading what i'm saying. I've said the same things ur saying. ANd I have brough up very real occurances and valid questions. Like when has captain marvel ever hurt superman as badly as diana? Geez. Thanks for being just like every one else.
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I think the "God power" thing isn't a big deal at all. The way I see it, they each have a portion of each God's power for the most part, rather than the full thing. Making the "which God gives you your power" thing irrelevent.
(For the record, though, it's been shown on-panel that CM can combine Solomon's strength with Hercules', and possibly amp himself with the Power of Zeus as well)
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