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And he even says Bastila will fail. Point Moot. Your only point is Bastila was stronger then a bunch of DJ scrubs...and even with the SF backing her up was still weaker then Revan.


Wow dude, you are saying just because she is weaker than Revan that means she sucks? Maul would also get tooled by Revan. The point behind my post is that she was considered by Malak as strong enough to stall Revan. If she has experienced a force user of such strength, she is at least adequately prepared to face of against Maul.

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Because she was his student...Her being stronger then a bunch of DJ losers is not impressive especially considering BANDON is stronger then them too.


Stop downplaying them. These DJ's were picked amongst the hundreds he possessed in the academies. Point is that she was the top in an entire forge filled with Malak's top DJ's.


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No that story was accepted as canon by LeeLand Chee, I'm lookin for the direct quote as we speak, its the same as how Vader vs Dark Lady is canon.


I see.

Just because Maul was almost able to defeat Vader, it still does not mean that he can defeat Bastila. I mean, he was defeated being pushed back by padawan Kenobi (the other half of his saber was destroyed).


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Give me proof of how long she lasted, you point is moot because of individual gameplay experiences, Again getting tooled multiple times does not make you strong, if anything its a knock on her that even with the SF pumping her up to superhuman levels she still sucked.


Given that it supplied Malak with enough time to kill eight Jedi, put them all into tanks, and prepare the Star Forge's undoubtedly complicated abilities, I would surmise enough time.

And second point. Sucking against Revan is not necessarily bad. Maul would also get tooled

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So? She was only promoted to Knight because Revan helped her overcome the DS, Since when does getting promoted to Knight = Power leap?


That is not the point. The point is that she stunned both of them simultaneously via a single force stasis.

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Again when he was in his 30's he was asked to be a Jedi Master. He is an old man who hadn't been in combat with a Force User in 30 years.


Again, he used the force and the lightsaber in the woodlands. He also had several years to meditate on the force.

I am going to ask you for prove that his skill decreased. It could just as likely be that it stayed the same, because he could have been meditatating much of that time as well. Similarly with Sidious, all the years that he spent on Byss (recovering from what happened on the Death Star) his abilities in the force were not significantly weakened.


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Wow dude, you are saying just because she is weaker than Revan that means she sucks? Maul would also get tooled by Revan. The point behind my post is that she was considered by Malak as strong enough to stall Revan. If she has experienced a force user of such strength, she is at least adequately prepared to face of against Maul.


No, she sucks because she hasn't show jack shit other than her BM. Who cares what Malak considered? He apparently thought EVERYBODY IN THE STAR FORGE was strong enough to stall Revan, since he sent EVERYTHING HE HAD. Your point is moot.



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Just because Maul was almost able to defeat Vader, it still does not mean that he can defeat Bastila. I mean, he was defeated being pushed back by padawan Kenobi (the other half of his saber was destroyed).

I cannot believe I'm even responding to this. For the millionth time, Bastilla showed NOTHING. Your attempts to diminish other characters are futile and childish.




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Given that it supplied Malak with enough time to kill eight Jedi, put them all into tanks, and prepare the Star Forge's undoubtedly complicated abilities, I would surmise enough time.

You don't know the exact details of this, so don't mention it.

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And second point. Sucking against Revan is not necessarily bad. Maul would also get tooled

Irrelevant misdirection.



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Again, he used the force and the lightsaber in the woodlands. He also had several years to meditate on the force.

so

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I am going to ask you for prove that his skill decreased. It could just as likely be that it stayed the same, because he could have been meditatating much of that time as well. Similarly with Sidious, all the years that he spent on Byss (recovering from what happened on the Death Star) his abilities in the force were not significantly weakened. [/B]

I'm going to assume you're mentioning Jolee, so I'll wait for proof of him also being more than an average Jedi.


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Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Other then the fact that during my game I beat Bastila in seconds all three times thats hardly "holding off"


i couldn't care less what a 17 year old little b!tch says that has nothing better to do than play games in his mom's basement all day. What you do in a video game has no bearing on what could happen in a duel. You think you have prolific views to share like people give a damn? haha, you're a funny little kid. laughing


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No, she sucks because she hasn't show jack shit other than her BM. Who cares what Malak considered? He apparently thought EVERYBODY IN THE STAR FORGE was strong enough to stall Revan, since he sent EVERYTHING HE HAD. Your point is moot.


And yet he reserved Bastila as his last line of defense? He did not even bother sending other dark Jedi around her? Educated opinion by Malak that singlehandedly, she was enough to stall Revan.



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I cannot believe I'm even responding to this. For the millionth time, Bastilla showed NOTHING. Your attempts to diminish other characters are futile and childish.


She has demonstrated force lightning. A skill that Maul, as a Sith has not shown when he needed it most. She has deeper knowledge in both sides of the force. She stunned two Jedi, one which was about to be granted rank of master, and another effortlessly

Again, I am waiting for proof that Maul could outdo her simply by physical strength alone.


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You don't know the exact details of this, so don't mention it.


Logical deductions. He needed the extra time to do something other than jack off. He even mentioned he needed time to "unleash the full power of the star forge."


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I'm going to assume you're mentioning Jolee, so I'll wait for proof of him also being more than an average Jedi. [/B]


I am not assuming that he is a force god... but he was invited based on skill and knowledge to become a master of the council. The fact that she stunned him instantaneously means quite a bit.


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Wow dude, you are saying just because she is weaker than Revan that means she sucks? Maul would also get tooled by Revan. The point behind my post is that she was considered by Malak as strong enough to stall Revan. If she has experienced a force user of such strength, she is at least adequately prepared to face of against Maul.


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What dont you get? SO WHAT she could stall Revan for an unknown amount of time. Malak still thought she would be beaten, and she was only even in a position to contend with Revan because the SF was backing her up and she still was tooled. I dont get your logic because she was tooled once she will be stronger next time? Bull Shit, she already proved that when she was tooled 3 MORE TIMES BY REVAN. And I do believe in a straight saber duel Maul can at least last against Revan.

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So, my point is that she was the top in an entire forge filled with Malak's top DJ's. These DJ's were picked amongst the hundreds he possessed in the academies.


THESE DARK JEDI SUCKED ASS. BANDON YES BANDON WAS ONCE THE STRONGEST OF THEM. BANDON SUCKS ASS, THEREFOR THE SITH HE WAS STRONGER THEN SUCK MORE ASS.


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Just because Maul was almost able to defeat Vader, it still does not mean that he can defeat Bastila. I mean, he was defeated being pushed back by padawan Kenobi (the other half of his saber was destroyed).


R U SERIOUS? Think. Your trying to compare Bastila to VADER Think. As for OB1, Maul was playing with him and got arrogant being stupid . Unless of course your trying to say Padawan OB1 > Qui Gon and Vader.


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Given that it supplied Malak with enough time to kill eight Jedi, put them all into tanks, and prepare the Star Forge's undoubtedly complicated abilities, I would surmise enough time.


Proof that he didn't already have that set up. Malak himself says he killed them on Dantooine. Point Moot.

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And second point. Sucking against Revan is not necessarily bad. Maul would also get tooled


Not in a straight Lightsaber duel.

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That is not the point. The point is that she stunned both of them simultaneously via a single force stasis.


It is the point stunning a bunch of weaklings is NOT impressive.



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Again, he used the force and the lightsaber in the woodlands. He also had several years to meditate on the force.


Your opinion.

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I am going to ask you for prove that his skill decreased. It could just as likely be that it stayed the same, because he could have been meditatating much of that time as well. Similarly with Sidious, all the years that he spent on Byss (recovering from what happened on the Death Star) his abilities in the force were not significantly weakened.


The few years on Byss don't compare to 30 years of no combat with a single force user. Proof that he got weaker? He was having trouble beating the Shadowland creatures, unless of course he was always that shitty.


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i couldn't care less what a 17 year old little b!tch says that has nothing better to do than play games in his mom's basement all day. What you do in a video game has no bearing on what could happen in a duel. You think you have prolific views to share like people give a damn? haha, you're a funny little kid. laughing



And your what, a grown man who spends his time on KMC talking about Star Wars and hip hop writing(lol) while his life wastes away. What a loser. A grown man that is obviously angry that a "kid" took a big shit on the nonsense he posted and is now upset...how cute.


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And yet he reserved Bastila as his [b]last line of defense? He did not even bother sending other dark Jedi around her? Educated opinion by Malak that singlehandedly, she was enough to stall Revan.


What is your point? What does that say about her power? Oh right nothing, because aside from Malak, none of the other so called "sith" have shown a damn thing. Not to mention you can't name me one force ability she has, nor how she's going to survive 10 seconds with a blademaster like Maul.

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She has demonstrated force lightning. A skill that Maul, as a Sith has not shown when he needed it most. She has deeper knowledge in both sides of the force. She stunned two Jedi, one which was about to be granted rank of master, and another effortlessly

Gameplay=not canon. You don't know her knowledge in the force, nor can you quantify it. And you act as if force lightning solves all problems. Why would Maul use it or need it exactly? He was a blademaster, not a superior force user.. This isn't a real argument for bastilla.

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Again, I am waiting for proof that Maul could outdo her simply by physical strength alone.

Physical strength alone? Man you really must have missed him destroying Black Sun single handidly and owning Qui Gonn. The evidence is there for Maul tooling her, yet you can't make a single argument for Bastilla besides unwarranted speculation.




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Logical deductions. He needed the extra time to do something other than jack off. He even mentioned he needed time to "unleash the full power of the star forge."

That's not logical deduction. That's ignorance and blatant fanboyism. If Bastilla wasn't there, he'd send someone eles. It's not like he thought she would defeat him.


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What dont you get? SO WHAT she could stall Revan for an unknown amount of time. Malak still thought she would be beaten, and she was only even in a position to contend with Revan because the SF was backing her up and she still was tooled. I dont get your logic because she was tooled once she will be stronger next time? Bull Shit, she already proved that when she was tooled 3 MORE TIMES BY REVAN. And I do believe in a straight saber duel Maul can at least last against Revan.

THESE DARK JEDI SUCKED ASS. BANDON YES BANDON WAS ONCE THE STRONGEST OF THEM. BANDON SUCKS ASS, THEREFOR THE SITH HE WAS STRONGER THEN SUCK MORE ASS.

R U SERIOUS? Think. Your trying to compare Bastila to VADER Think. As for OB1, Maul was playing with him and got arrogant being stupid . Unless of course your trying to say Padawan OB1 > Qui Gon and Vader.


Proof that he didn't already have that set up. Malak himself says he killed them on Dantooine. Point Moot.

Not in a straight Lightsaber duel.


It is the point stunning a bunch of weaklings is NOT impressive.


Your opinion.


The few years on Byss don't compare to 30 years of no combat with a single force user. Proof that he got weaker? He was having trouble beating the Shadowland creatures, unless of course he was always that shitty.


How do you assume Maul will get past Bastila's force attacks (which she possesses a broader and deeper understanding of.) In saber combat, I agree that Maul is better, but in force, surely Bastila.

Obi Wan was able to break part of Maul's ligthsaber. Again, he was just a padawan, and he was able to do that against Maul. There ARE breaches to his saber skills, obviously not enough for Bastila to succeed in a straight out duel, but enough so that she can defend and strike back with superiour force attacks.

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That's not logical deduction. That's ignorance and blatant fanboyism. If Bastilla wasn't there, he'd send someone eles. It's not like he thought she would defeat him.


Fanboyism? How so? I stated that he had an entire station's worth of dark Jedi. Can you prove Revan killed all of them? He seeemed content with sending Bastila by herself to stall..


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And your what, a grown man who spends his time on KMC talking about Star Wars and hip hop writing(lol) while his life wastes away. What a loser. A grown man that is obviously angry that a "kid" took a big shit on the nonsense he posted and is now upset...how cute.


You both are illiterate morons who are embarassing themselves.


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How do you assume Maul will get past Bastila's force attacks (which she possesses a broader and deeper understanding of.) In saber combat, I agree that Maul is better, but in force, surely Bastila.


WHAT FORCE ATTACKS Zephiel? Jesus H Christ. What force attacks. You are not operating on anything but ridiculous assumptions. Bastilla at best had the basic force attacks that Maul had, unless proven otherwise, which you can't and won't.


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Without the Star Forge backing her up I HIGHLY doubt Bastila can perform these force powers in multiple sucession, Her stun wouldn't work on Maul since he is above and beyond Jolee and Juhani in everyway, Her wave might work but thats assuming it can break Mauls shield, which I also HIGHLY doubt. And Maul could simply crush, choke or fling her with the force as he displayed in Resurection. Even if Bastilas powers did work that would not be enough to kill Maul since it couldn't kill Juhani or Jolee, then what.


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You both are illiterate morons who are embarassing themselves.


Excuse me? Illiterate? I think not, stooping to a low level? Yes. Illiterate no unless you care to back that up, unless you think your better then me I'd suggest you STFU.


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Excuse me? Illiterate? I think not, stooping to a low level? Yes. Illiterate no unless you care to back that up, unless you think your better then me I'd suggest you STFU.


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Exactly, STFU, theres no need for you to add you unwanted two cents in.


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And your what, a grown man who spends his time on KMC talking about Star Wars and hip hop writing(lol) while his life wastes away. What a loser. A grown man that is obviously angry that a "kid" took a big shit on the nonsense he posted and is now upset...how cute.


yea i spend all my time on KMC...you got me...and wow, I'm really hurt by it. I've done more with my life than you'll ever be able to fathom. You couldn't get me angry if you tried, kid. I see you're well on your way to "wasting your life away" being as you're on here as well at such a young tender age...get a job, a girl, get something....i don't have to play the game to say anything. Obviously I had a point that you just don't like. Sorry, but no one here is going to kiss your ass and wipe your nose like your mommy does. you're not really that important. Trust. erm


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Exactly, STFU, theres no need for you to add you unwanted two cents in.


I guess I should have added incoherent as well.


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lol.

You're quite the funny man.


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It comes naturally when dealing with the unintelligent..


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Perhaps I CAN see Bastila being defeated by Maul... you two have proven your arguments...I concede mine. But it would not be quite as short and easy as most people stated.


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